Dave McNeese

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  1. LowerD

    LowerD New Member

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    The way I see it, he has garbage bags full of excuses as to why these rods are not already in our hands. I would be at bay for a while if he had responded to my last couple inquiries. And if he just flat out asked me if he could have until the end of the year to finish up my rod, I would agree.

    He reminds of that friend we all have - the one that tells their wife they are on the way home, when really he's sitting at the bar with no intentions of coming home until morning.

    I don't agree with the part where he gets paid 100% upfront. It leaves no incentive for him to hurry up and pony up the goods.
     
  2. fredaevans

    fredaevans Active Member

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    Gez gets my vote for "Understatement of the Day." Post of several UK based boards and when it comes to "Name and Shame" they DO NOT take prisoners. That said, if folks know what County he lives in, and you paid have you considered filing a Small Claims Court action?

    By the way, not just 'here:' http://www.flyanglersonline.com/bb/showthread.php?43412-Dave-McNeese-Stole-My-2.4-Trout-Reel

    fae
     
  3. fredaevans

    fredaevans Active Member

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    Still here?

    McNeese Fly Fishing
    1332 M Street
    Springfield, OR 97477
    (503)798-5790
     
  4. Lonewolve

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    Guys,
    Sorry to say but i have aside from 5 rods the other 20 are all custom built .I never had to wait any more than say two weeks from ordered to finished to get any one of my rods, the rodbuilder {not Dave McNeese}always keeps in constant contact with me.Its hogwash to wait a year for any rod that is custom built.
    If its anything spey and you want one of a kind top of the line rods , Go with Bob Meiser or Gary Anderson.Aside from that I have bought from Dave McNeese custom flies and some of his new hooks directly of the Fleabay and got them promptly.I didn't have any trouble. Really surprises me that i have read these problems on several differnt forums from other places across the globe.
    another thing though is if he is having troubles outside of his business, the proper business etiquette is to contact whomever he has contracts or agreements with and make other arrangements , refund any money if a resoultion can not be resolved and a formal apology should be of the utmost priority.
    Now what that said, life sometimes gets in the way..death, illness,divorce,kids ect. one thing i could really impress upon you is that there should be a order invoice always with any order, if thier is a expected delivery date that should expressly and physically be shown on the said invoice, this invoice should be dated too.that is your record of sale,and evidence for any leagal proceedings should it become evident that the other party is negligent in their binding agreement/contract to do any work.
    I am not patient with unhonorable individuals, a man's word is his honor if his word isnt any good he isnt a man and thus he isnt any good.
    Tight Wraps & Tight Lines
    Rick Wallace
     
  5. fredaevans

    fredaevans Active Member

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    Indeed. "Go with Bob Meiser or Gary Anderson."

    I'd add Burkie to that short list "You call, they haul."

    Period.
    fae
     
  6. Geraldo

    Geraldo New Member

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    Thanks for the info folks, will keep that in mind when getting my next custom.........Any you guys waiting on rods had any luck? Still nothing at my end, emails totally ignored still.

    Cheers

    Gez
     
  7. fredaevans

    fredaevans Active Member

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    You want a 'custom rod?' Some suggestions out of Oregon: Gary Anderson aka ACR rods, Bob Meiser aka R B Meiser rods(both more known for their spey rods) or Steve Gotshall (normally known for his custom cut fly lines). You will get exactly what you've asked for (usually after a long conversation on 'Where are you fishing? What are you fishing for? Etc?
     
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    Add Steve Moran in Spokane, WA to that list. Very fast and beautiful work.
     
  9. hookedonthefly

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    Dave is a good guy. Flame away.

    He has been known to chase butterflies sometimes and may not best business mind nor the most organized person. That being said, Dave is not going to stiff you.

    Having one of his rods would be an honor no matter how long you wait. It's the closest you'll ever get to Syd Glasso and the lore of how we came to do what we do here in the PNW...well, some of us anyway who choose not to cast bobbers with a spey rod.
     
  10. fredaevans

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    I'm sorry to say this but your sympathy post cuts no ice, as 'Muricans would say. Read this type of 'complaint post' once .. no big deal. Your read six or seven (including on International boards) with the same kind of concerns .... Puppy, for what ever reason, Don't Hunt.

    I have no idea what McCheeses problems are, and candidly don't care, but if you can't deliver in a reasonable time frame just say so. Period.

    Lots of 'custom builders' (Meiser/Anderson/Burkhiemer(sp?) et al) ... you order... you can count on getting delivery in a timely basis; Dave? Your call .....?
    fae
     
  11. David Loy

    David Loy Senior Moment

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    FYI - I've heard/read nothing but good reviews of Kerry Burkheimer and Bob Meiser but have no personal experience. I do have two rods built by Anderson Custom Rods and can endorse them heartily. I developed a problem with a guide on one of the rods, several years after it was built, and it was repaired with no questions asked or fee charged. We have good options.
     
  12. Brady Burmeister

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    Well jeez Fred, I've been waiting about 2 years for the fly you were supposed to tie for our OSU - Oregon game bet. Remeber? A scarlett and gray spey fly? Ah, forget it. It's not like it would look like a Dave McNeese fly anyways........ McCheese?,..really?

    Kinda surprised you're getting involved in this again after getting smacked on it last time you brought it up. It would be one thing if you ordered something and didn't get it,....but you didn't. And then to resort to childish name calling.....doesn't really do much to alleviate the initial problem.
     
  13. hookedonthefly

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    It certainly appears, Fred, that the puppy which did not hunt...does now.
     
  14. fredaevans

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    Actually I have sent them off and I've got our 'exchanges' bookmarked.' Well .... total truth be told, the first time I was 'needled' about that had to do a "
    Ah crap." He was right ... I hadn't. But the flies were off in the mail a couple of days later.

    Obviously they didn't show up. But back to your second point. When 'People' order up/pay up front (to what ever degree) 'Timely results' are expected. If that's 2 month (fill in a number), that's the name of the game as you're asking for a 'just for me,' not rod number 10,000 and 1. I post on several boards (including in the UK) and anyone whose ordered a rod from Burkie, ACR, or Meiser has ALWAYS gotten just exactly what they expected.

    A good reason all three are going great guns in our present economy? (Add Steve Gotshall and his custom fly lines to that list.) Fishing this AM, three rods: A 3wt Meiser, a 5wt Anderson and a 'custom-custom' 6/7 retro fiber glass rod from Steve.

    All a treat to cast, all rigged slightly differently so as I walked down the 400'ish yard run I'd take one or the other and just cast Run changed, no 're-rigging,' just take a different rod off the Jeep. My kind of fishing!
    Fred

    ** Don't want to do a cut and paste, but can if needed.
    Fred
     
  15. Brady Burmeister

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    Never needled you, Fred. Only brought up one other time in another Dave Mcneese thread that you felt the need to get involved in. I don't give a sh*t about the fly, just illustrating the forgetfulness and less than punctual situations that can happen to the best of us. I'm not making excuses for Dave, but this is best discussed by people with first hand experience with him. Which you haven't had, right? Why pile on if there is no remedy you can offer?

    Also, why put 'exchanges' in quotes? As if they were quarrels or advisarial.... seems to give a strange impression. But your style of writing has always been a bit puzzling.
     
  16. hookedonthefly

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    Sounds like excuses to me and smoke and mirrors Fred...I'll also call BS on the "ol' lost in the mail" story.

    I think Dave shook his head at the ass hat on the other end of the phone, set the phone down and went back to tryin' to get stuff done.
     
  17. Jack Devlin

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    I ordered some seal fur from McNeese September 18. Still haven't received it. Have been unable to contact him so I started a case with Pay Pal. Still waiting for resolution. Don't know what the problem is. Perhaps he is ill? traveling? Don't know.

    I heard from PAY PAL yesterday and they issued a refund. Still don't know what the story is with Dave.????
     
  18. Salmo Trutta

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    Most of the custom rod builders are very !!!!!!!!! skilled in the process of rodbuilding, using blanks and other components .

    However only Kerry Burkheimer is a true rod DESIGNER as he has been designing and refining blanks with Steve Jobs obsession to details from scratch. Once the taper has been designed, the blank are rolled out from graphite fabric in the small factory in Washougal, WA which employees 4 or 5 permanent workers.
    Kerry's rods have understated low key craftsmanship . Many standard tapers can be easily customized to meet your requirements.

    Other rod builders get their blanks from South Korea or China, claim it can be customized, but to what extend the blank made oversea can be customized by others who are not fly-fisher, even if a rod builder is heavily involved in the process.......

    However if you like your rod to look like a Christmas Tree and prefer all the money paid to go onto the rod, instead into the rod/taper then Burkheimer is NOT the rod for you.

    Many of custom rod makers just 5-7 years ago have been building pretty rods based on Winston or Sage blanks, while Kerry has been building SH rods for many years, before even DH got popular in US in 90's. For example he has over 40 tapers of SH wt.5 rod only!!!!!!!!


    Kerry forgot more about rod design then others, put together, know about it.......


    I have 10 of his rods ( SH and DH) and my has few too. For example 5115-4 used for Alaskan Rainbows arrived late Spring of 2010. The next one will be 4114-4. The only reason the taper is not ready yet is b/c it is not 100.0% perfect. He very rarely refines the taper after it has been release to the public. A rod made once it is good forever.
    You will never find him personally advertising or hyping his rods on-line, as it is expected form a very humble, best rods DESIGNER and maker on the Planet Earth.
     
  19. bennysbuddy

    bennysbuddy the sultan of swing

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    How do you like those Burkheimer rods, I hope someday to be able to buy one.
     
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    I used to own Sages, Winstons, Scotts and few Merisers in the past. Of all 10 ( SH + DH ) rods I have all are Burkheimers.

    They are amazing fishing and casting tools. Try one to see what I mean.

    Hopefully I answered your question.
     

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