Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Panhandle, Mar 5, 2010.
GET LOST IN THE TRUTH
"Never trust a man whose assertions of right and wrong emerge from the law. He's either a lawyer or a politician."
I drink non-alcohol beer all the time. I like the taste of beer but have a problematic reaction to alcohol; I seem to get thrown in jail for either having too much fun or falling asleep in the middle of the road.
Legality and morality are decidedly different things. It has always seemed to me that many laws are created to benefit thoose that create them.
I can make a hell of a case for why you should not smoke weed. I can't make any argument as to why it should be illegal.
I think that the question has been answered. No not all fishermen smoke weed. I suspect that about the same percentage of fishermen do as the percentage of the general public do. In the US of A that is a pretty signifigant percentage.
Go Red Sox,
Cheers, Kerry. I don't doubt that you enjoy a non-alcoholic beer on a hot day at the creek. Good on you for taking care of yourself and recognizing your limits. Yet I somehow doubt ifsteve has ever opted for the non-alcoholic beer option at his local watering hole. Correct me if I'm wrong...
Like Dean Martin said, "I feel sorry for people that don't drink cause when they get
up in the morning thats as good as they will feel all day." Make it alll legal and let people
kill themselves...weeding (no pun intended) of the herd if you will.
Dave (who's not here)
Great replies to a progressive social commentary..... I appreciate the feedback-- Mission accomplished! Unless you build a tolerance for it, via smoking regularly, it pretty much fucks you up---especially with the potency modern strains have. It does impair driving and other neurological/physiological functioning. It’s a psychoactive substance that has a strong impact on how the brain communicates with the rest of our body. Simply put, it is not good for you, but I won't get into that here.
Let's not fool ourselves. Everyone has a vice that in some way acts as a coping mechanism for dealing with the pace of our modern day insane lifestyle. Only you, as an individual, know what this tool is. We're all messed up---our dysfunction is garden variety. I don't trust anyone who claims they lead a perfectly moral life (the hypocrisy would drive you insane). In other words, if someone wants to smoke pot to unwind, so-be-it; the other alternatives carry harsher consequences to self and society.
just some shits and giggles.
<-- speed channel informal study
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5450 <--- NORML (biased source) conclusions and references of various cannabis studies that involved driving.
1993 US DOT study of effects of cannabis on driving.
"Marijuana's effects on driving performance were compared to those of many other drugs. It was concluded that THC's effects after doses up to 300 mcg / kg never exceed alcohol's at BAC's of 0.08 g %; and were in no way unusual compared to many medicinal drugs'. Yet THC's effects differ qualitatively from many other drugs, especially alcohol. Evidence from the present and previous studies stronly suggests that alcohol encourages risky driving whereas THC encourages greater caution, at least in experiments. Another way THC seems to differ qualitatively from many other drugs is that the former's users seem better able to compensate for its adverse effects while driving under the influence. Still one can easily imagine situations where the influence of marijuana smoking might have an exceedingly dangerous effect; i.e., emergency situations which put high demands on the driver's information processing capacity, prolonged monotonous driving, and after THC has been taken with other drugs, especially alcohol"
just food for thought on the subject of driving with cannabis in the system.
Seattle basically decriminalized pot years ago. People here tend to not care one way or the other about pot use--to each his or her own.
Dustin, that is not a peer reviewed research study, and is pretty much worthless in the world of legitimate research. It is the "concentration" you speak of that creates the problem. The effect cannabis has on the brain diminishes the capacity to multi task; rather you focus on one thing too much, such as the stereo or a conversation in the back seat. Cannabis also eliminates peripheral vision, the same component that makes THC a positive medication for glaucoma. Whether one realizes is it or not, your ability to see outside of a narrow scope (visually and cognitively) is limited. This is proven science. There are actually no real statistics showing how many road related accidents are attributed to cannabis use (in the works). My educational assumption is that the findings will be substantial. Keep in mind, the use of cannabis in not readily detectable as alcohol is. If you get in an accident, the officer is not going to UA you at the scene and only a few officers are trained in detecting signs of THC intoxication by sight.
I don't think anyone is suggesting the ingesting cannabis and then driving is a good idea. Hell, taking a lot of over the counter drugs and driving is advised against.
The fact that cannabis is illegal has absolutely nothing to do with how safe or dangerous its use is. The federal prohibition of cannabis use, possession, or sale is as irrational as legislation gets.
Pan, smokin pot might impair your re-action time, but your probably only doin' 15 miles an hr.
Salmo, I agree. By the way, operating a vehicle on prescribed medication is illegal if the origins of the vehicle related issue can be connected to being intoxicated on said medication. Like with THC, there is trained law inforcement to detect this form of altered state. Almost all psycotropic Rx bottles warn against driving for this reason.
Prohibition of Cannabis has everything to do with the timber and textile industries, and nothing to do with how "dangerous" it is.
I'd eat too many funyuns and fall asleep in the river and drown. I stick to whiskey.
WTF is this post doing on a supposedly fly fishing forum?
Move it over here.
"Pan, smokin pot might impair your re-action time"...................so true................don't need to hold, then drop a loop when swinging for steel..................cooooooooool !
"Like with THC, there is trained law inforcement to detect this form of altered state"
They are called DRE’s (drug recognition experts). As I understand it if a person suspected of being under the influence passes a breathalyzer however the officer believes that the person is on something the DREs get involved. I have watched the process, usually takes about 45 to 60 minutes.
just like the energizer bunny. this thread keeps going and going and going
its only a matter of time before Chris makes this thread a "sticky", or locks it.