Elwah Dam removal & Steelhead recovery

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  1. Richard Olmstead

    Richard Olmstead BigDog

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    KUOW had a nice, long piece on the Elwah Dam removal and its effect on steelhead recovery this morning on Morning Edition. The addressed the role of hatcheries head on, without sugar-coating it, although some of us might think it was a little too 'even handed.'

    We're extremely fortunate to have two such well-regarded public radio stations in the Seattle area (KUOW and KPLU). What other broadcast media would ever consider doing an in-depth piece on steelhead recovery?

    Read or listen to it here: http://earthfix.kuow.org/flora-and-fauna/article/in-largest-dam-removal-in-us-history-which-fish-ge/

    Dick
     
  2. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

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    Thanks for sharing the link Dick. I agree that the piece was even-handed, especially the part where she pointed out that the promise to eventually discontinue the practice of using hatchery fish as a supplement was vague and non-specific. But given the station's broader target audience than the 'special interests' who frequent this forum, it's hard for me to imagine a more fair portrayal of the facts.

    K
     
  3. Salmo_g

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    Good to know. Thanks for sharing, Dick.

    Sg
     
  4. plaegreid

    plaegreid Saved by the buoyancy of citrus

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    Well there's yer problem. Perhaps we need to rethink the hatchery environment to produce higher-quality, close-to-wild fish, at least on streams where the endgame is to fully restore wild fish populations.

    PS: I'm sure that's not an original idea, but I'm new to this whole hatchery v wild debate, so I'm not up to date on all this stuff. :confused:
     
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    You think that by now it would be common knowledge that hatchery raised fish #1 have a much poorer survival rate than do their wild counterparts, and #2 hatchery fish interbreeding with wild fish dilute the gene pool. But no, hatcheries are a government backed ideology, so common sense does not apply. It's jobs and put & take fish to satisfy the masses. Don't get me started on government BS
     
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    Upton O Blind hog fisherman

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    If you take excellent care of the habitat, the animals will respond. There was a time in Georgia when there was growing momentum to produce red drum (redfish) in hatcheries to augment the sport fishery. When it was pointed out that protecting the estuarine wetlands, restricting harvest of juvenile and spawning age fish, and promoting catch and release, well, there aren't any redfish hatcheries in Georgia.
     
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    Like puttin lipstick on a pig, anyway you look at it, its still a pig.
     
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    Any updates on how this project is going?

    I have sorta lost track of it over the last few months.
     
  10. freestoneangler

    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    A great opportunity to see how well a wild fish only managed system will work maybe lost. It's location takes the PS outmigration factor out of the equation. If everyone could only just leave the river alone for some years and monitor... we might be pleasantly surprised.
     
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    I can't disagree with that. But it is very difficult for some folks to keep their paws off something that seems to work.
     
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    By the way, it's Elwha, not Elwah.
     
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    dustinchromers I'd rather be slaying chromers

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    You mean wait for fish to stuff the nets? No way, we need to pump that thing full of Chambers ck. Stock so the nets will be heavy with fish. Isn't that the real goal of the managers?
     
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    I'll bet Swanny is nearly insane with anticipation.
     
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    The Elwha is doing what only it can do, thanks to a couple recent major storm events. Flood flows pushing a slurry of sediments out of the basin can't help but be good for system recovery. Salmon and steelhead are recolonizing habitat upstream of the dams. They really don't have much of an alternative, considering how laden with sediment the lower river is in the near term.

    Sg
     
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    Thanks for the update and info. I live on the oter side of the Sound but
    I am interested in anything that will benifit the fish. Can't do much about what Mother Nature throws at us, but I sure do not want to see greed rear it's ugly head over the fish.
     

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