nb_ken, I never said I WANTED to or EXPECTED to do any of the above. I also would not temper my voting choices on any of the above either. Those recreational items would truly not sway me one way or another to cast my ballot in any one's favor over another. I have however stood within feet of McCain, and over a few years had the occasion to stand nearby other members of congress. Sometimes representing sailors from my unit, sometimes armed and augmenting their traveling security detachments. Thus far, none of those politicians have impressed me as being "one of us middle class family men or women". When you run I'll gladly study your platform and make my choices, even if we have never fished.