Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by herl, Sep 4, 2008.
Pretty Scary what she is doing to Alaska...
I know I'm late coming to this post, been off fishing and hunting.
I don't really care what Palin's position is, I'm still voting my conscience, Ron Paul. Anything else would be senseless for me.
Interestingly enough, and Roper's post on his vote going for Ron Paul reminded me, even Alaska's Republican Delegates at the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, MN cast 5 of their state's delegates to Ron Paul. That would be delegates that go away from McCain even though he selected the AK Governor Palin to run on his ticket. I find that interesting, maybe nothing more than that.
A GILF who loves guns? Good enough for me!
Sorry, I had to do it before the thread shuts down.
Guess there are at least 2 left wing wacko's in Alaska... I think there are some very good comments on that article. I am concerned about her lack of experience and I need to look at the possibility of McCain not lasting another 4 years. But.... I still think they are the better ticket.
Already been proven a fake...
I'm sure there are allot of fishermen/flyfishermen in Alaska. Hell isn't that half the population up there? If she has a 80% approval rating (which is unheard of) don't you think there are a few fishermen/flyfishermen that are for her as well?
After her speech at the GOP Convention...Her ratings went throug the roof. She has/had more approval than either McCain or Obama. Interesting.
It's worth remembering that while Alaska has by far the largest land area of any other state, it also has the second smallest population. The state's economy is overwhelmingly exctraction-based. Put another way, the only products most Americans are likely to have seen that came from Alaska are fish, oil, and timber.
With so few people, the state government's revenue base is comprised largely if not entirely from taxes and fees levied on extraction industries like commercial fishing, big oil, and logging.
I'm certainly not an apologist for Palin (who I think brings about as much to the Republican ticket as Britney Spears). But the reality is that a big mining project represents incremental revenue that the state could then use to upgrade roads, schools, and services without tapping the population for additional property, income, or sales taxes. My guess is that if you polled Alaskans as to whether they'd prefer a mine and no tax increases or no mine and higher taxes, most would choose the former.
ms palin has raised the taxation rate on the gas and oil industries in AK to a whoping 24% of gross. of course those tax dollars do not go toward any state based programs. instead, those bucks are returned to the 679,000 citizens of the state. wonder why her AK approval rating is so high????????? payola is the answer and she knows that in spades.
i think i have just become a single issue voter, the environment!
and more... in case you want to actually do more research than believing what you read from some blog or editorial or email...
HA!!! But I digress.
In the interests of a balanced presentation, here is FactCheck's analysis of Mr. McCain's acceptance speech which it characterizes as "couched more in generalities than in specifics, offering fewer factual claims to check than we found in other speeches."
The above link would be apples to apples with the Obama fact check above. The Palin one ChadK posted is related to internet rumors.
3-0 sox (8th),
Some points from moveon.org to contemplate:
Palin recently said that the war in Iraq is "God's task." She's even admitted she hasn't thought about the war much—just last year she was quoted saying, "I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq." 1, 2
Palin has actively sought the support of the fringe Alaska Independence Party. Six months ago, Palin told members of the group—who advocate for a vote on secession from the union—to "keep up the good work" and "wished the party luck on what she called its 'inspiring convention.'" 3
Palin wants to teach creationism in public schools. She hasn't made clear whether she thinks evolution is a fact.4
Palin doesn't believe that humans contribute to global warming. Speaking about climate change, she said, "I'm not one though who would attribute it to being manmade." 5
Palin has close ties to Big Oil. Her inauguration was even sponsored by BP. 6
Palin is extremely anti-choice. She doesn't even support abortion in the case of rape or incest. 7
Palin opposes comprehensive sex-ed in public schools. She's said she will only support abstinence-only approaches. 8
As mayor, Palin tried to ban books from the library. Palin asked the library how she might go about banning books because some had inappropriate language in them—shocking the librarian, Mary Ellen Baker. According to Time, "news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor." 9
She DID support the Bridge to Nowhere (before she opposed it). Palin claimed that she said "thanks, but no thanks" to the infamous Bridge to Nowhere. But in 2006, Palin supported the project repeatedly, saying that Alaska should take advantage of earmarks "while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist." 10
The plain fact of the matter is that Sarah Palin did a bang-up job delivering a Karl Rove-style political attack speech last night. That makes her a skilled politician but it doesn't make her views any more palatable for voters. Americans don't really want another far-right, anti-science ideologue in the White House.
Well, THAT settles it!!!:beer1Is that Kool Aid in that glass?)
Right off the bat you've dismissed yourself from being taken seriously by admitting your source. Give me a break dude!
And the BEST part about Palin is she's anti-choice. All we ever hear from you libs are the extreme cases where you think abortion is justified...the fact is you think it's ok period don't you! In which trimester exactly do you think it is ok to kill a child? Why limit it to just the first three? Maybe we should expand the peoples freedom to choose say up to the ninth trimester....or the eighty ninth....
She's goin down "my friends".... oh well. The truth hurts. You conservatives should know by now it was a "bad choice" by McCain. Sorry pals.
Obama is a leader.
Well, one way or another we can count on seeing the loser's bumper stickers on cars locally for at least 4-8 years. It seems every day I see John Kerry, Hillary Clinton and other bumper stickers. Once they are out, peel that crap off your car.
Maybe she will somehow magically get a link to this thread, see all the fly fishermen who are suicidal/homicidal over the proposed mine and in her last official act as governor of Alaska before she is sworn in as VP of the United States of America, and because of her ardent pro-life convictions, sign an executive order stopping the mine. Then Dryfly Larry and GT will owe their lives to her. Then there would be real social justice.:thumb: