Fresh Whole Wild Steelhead with puree

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by KEM, Feb 3, 2010.

  1. Eric Tarcha

    Eric Tarcha gear whore

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  2. Plecoptera

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    Again, nobody has any info about where these fish cam from. They could be clipped fish that were collected straight out of the hatchery for all we know. The term "wild" has a very different meaning in the culinary world than what "wild" means in fishing regs and angler terms.
     
  3. Ryan Nathe

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    Plecoptera, although a possibility do you think that it is likely they are supplying vendors with fish from their hatchery racks? And the gill net floats are just for decorations on the river? Even if they are hatchery fish harvest of such fish is non-selective by way of gill nets. Wild fish die in those nets too.

    Not that I am opposed to more information about the source, the more info the better, but to assume they are from the hatchery racks I think is a bit far...
     
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    I never assumed they were from a hatchery rack. Just used that as a radical scenario for a possible source of these fish. They could come from from anywhere...the point is that nobody knows for sure. I am just suggesting that we find out where these fish came from before people get their panties in a bunch and start bad mouthing this place.
     
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    I don't understand why seeing these fish in the market serves to anger people more than the sight of nets in the rivers. We know fish are being caught, killed and sold. Where would yall rather them end up? Japan?

    It it just the fact that a local institution is supporting them?
     
  6. gt

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    we all just may be getting to the point where the 'entitlement' the tribes seem to believe they have to kill whatever, whenever is no longer plaiying. maybe WA should follow the example the folks in OR started by begnning the process for an iniatative petition, to whit; selective harvest methods become the law and possession, transport of wild fish for sale is not longer legal in this state.

    has the time come or do we need to continue wringing our hands about boldt and treaties?
     
  7. Citori

    Citori Piscatorial Engineer

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    It is more effective to just tell them why you are not buying and are telling others not to buy than it is writing and whining about it. Yes, the tribes can net and sell both wild and hatchery steelhead. Yes, it is legal to buy and sell them. Yes, I think it sucks too. But, if there is no market, then there is no reason to catch them. Be aware these same fish are likely on the buffet line at tribal casinos. IMO< public opinion is the only real tool we have here.
     
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    I was going to suggest that we are such a minority in caring about this issue that there is no way we could impact demand via public opinion, but there really seems to be quite a movement going on in the world of sustainable sushi. I've never heard of steelhead being consumed as sushi but at least people are starting to listen. Then again, the harvest of a hatchery raised fish with no evidence that it negatively impacts the wild population (it seems obvious that it does - but is there any evidence?) would probably fit right into what these people consider to be sustainable.

    http://www.sustainablesushi.net/

    Edit: and upon further review, one of the pioneers of sustainable sushi, Chef Hajime of West Seattle's Mashiko has Steelhead on his shortlist of sustainable fish.

    http://www.teachstreet.com/cooking/...ef-hajime-sato-hands-on-seattle/li-57um3mdam8

    I have dined with Chef Hajime on several occasions by the way and I think he is a good dude and I support what he is doing. I will take up the Steelhead issue with him next time I am in there.
     
  9. Ryan Nathe

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    Citori, how do you think the public becomes informed? I see no problem with these threads on this forum. There are plenty even in the fly-fishing community who dont know very much about this issue. You suggest we stop writing about it but how else do we get organized and let other board members know where these institutions are? This is simply sharing ideas and spreading info about the plethora of places that sell steelhead either in their restaurant or store.
     
  10. alpinetrout

    alpinetrout Banned or Parked

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    Pike Place Fish Market obviously doesn't give a shit. I emailed them explaining the reasons why they shouldn't be selling wild steelhead and the only response they could come up with was "Thank you for your email".
     
  11. Citori

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    You are of course correct, Ryan. My point is that posting on line that "somebody should do something" doesn't feed the bulldog. In addition to informing others, it's OK to tell vendors and restaurateurs what you think. It is amazing what impact that makes. I do it, and I invite others to do it as well. I should have clarified - I suggest you don't limit your actions to posting on line.

    Better?

    Alpinetrout - when I told them (Pike Place Market) what I thought, in person, I waited until there was a crowd in front of the store, and then after I finished my rant with the proprietor, I turned and challenged those within earshot to support the demise of ESA fish by purchasing from a vendor who obviously didn't give a rip. Did it do any good? Probably not. Did it make me feel better? Abso-frickin-lutely.
     
  12. Ed Call

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    They must have cut and pasted their response to you in the message they sent me.

    Maybe this will be my next approach.

    I called another place rumored to have wild steelhead on the menu. Rumor confirmed, manager apologized and said they only provide what the paying customers are demanding to eat. If that does not scream of an uneducated public I don't know what does.
     
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    I have a hard time believing that the average uneducated restaurant customer is demanding that they be served wild steelhead. Most people wouldn't think to order it if it weren't for the novelty of seeing something different on the menu.
     
  14. Ed Call

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    I completely agree with you on that one alpinetrout. I had to toss in the bullshit flag on that one, but if it is true the patrons of this place demanding wild steelhead they are idiots.
     
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    Citori- clarified - completely agree.
     
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    thanks for the link, i joined the choir and set'um an email.
     
  18. Jim Kerr

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    I will send them a god damn e-mail. And I will e-mail the f-ing link to my whole f-ing client list. These guys have been doing this for years. Don't get me started. Years ago a friend of mine did a bunch of research on where these fish were actually coming from. It would make you sick.
     
  19. Jmills81

    Jmills81 The Dude Abides

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    email sent...let's flood their inbox
     
  20. Don Freeman

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    This ia copy of the love letter I sent to Pikes Place, it's a first draft, and could probably use some polishing. Tomorrow I'll find the address for Elliott's Oyster House and Boston Harbor Fish Market and copy them too. Know of any other outlets? Send them a copy. I'm waiting for a reply from Oceanwise Canada to gather more infor on how to organize the boycott, but a threat s a good start.



    "There is a growing movement throughout the northwest, especially western Washington to prevent the extinction of steelhead and salmon populations. One of the major causes of the demise is non selective harvest of depleted runs for commercial consumption. Legislation to change this trend has stalled, so advocates are organizing to eliminate the market for these fish.

    Modeled after a program that is highly successful in British Columbia, the public is being informed of all outlets that purvey wild steelhead and salmon, with consumers encouraged to boycott these businesses entirely until they remove all wild steelhead and threatened stocks of salmon from their inventory. Once these businesses cease selling wild fish and pledge to honor the ethical practice of purveying only sustainable stocks, their names will be removed from the list.

    Your business has been identified as one which sells wild steelhead. You are encouraged to voluntarily cease offering wild steelhead, and to inform your suppliers of the reason. Voluntary compliance will remove your name form the pending boycott, and your implicit support will be noted in the announcements."
     

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