"Friend or Foe"

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by andrew, Mar 18, 2004.

  1. andrew Active Member

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    I saw an advertisement for these in Northwest Fly Fishing...first reaction was COOL! Following I wonder how much? Ending with "oh GREAT...wave runners for fly fisherman....

    Has anyone seen these things in action...?

    Are they the next nuisance on the water?:dunno
  2. andrew Active Member

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  3. ChrisC Member

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    They do look great in concept but where could you use these beasts safely?
  4. andrew Active Member

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    In the magazine it shows a guy decked out in "fly fishing garb" cruising 'up' a river...it appears to have a kayak type hull. I couldn't find information on draft...it appears pretty safe for most water.
  5. Jim Wallace Smells like low tide

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    fee fie FOE fum, I smell the blood of a mokai scum!

    I have recurring nightmares about some moron showing up in one of these on my favorite zipperlip and have been thinking of packing my model 870 12 gage magnum pump to see how it stacks up against a jet pump!

    p.s. Here's an idea: Write a letter to Steve Probasco (Editor-in-Chief of NW Fly Fishing) and ask him how he'd feel if his favorite SRC zipperlips in Pacific County were invaded by these monstrosities. Then ask him to remove the ad. The term "media whoore" comes to mind.
  6. ChrisC Member

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    Worst case, could you see someone piloting one of these up and down the Yakima or the Skykomish? How would this craft do in rapids is the question, would they be any more dangerous or safer than a drift/pontoon boat? If these boats are pretty forgiving, then I do see a future where the guy who buys a Hummer (sorry, easy target) would have the same mentality to buy one of these.
  7. andrew Active Member

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    I would definitely say more dangerous than either a pontoon or drift boat...the question I have is does it have enough power to go up stream on rivers such as the Skagit, Sky, Yak...etc.
  8. alpinetrout Banned or Parked

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    Probasco has zipperlips??
  9. andrew Active Member

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    You bet YKK:thumb
  10. Sharp Steelie Guest

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    What the heck - more search and rescue cases for
    the Coast Guard or any of the other local law
    enforcement types. They can always use the
  11. Bright Rivers Member

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    Looks pretty cool to me. I too wonder how safe it is (e.g., I question the wisdom of the guy featured in the photo fishing while standing up in it).

    I saw the ad too and knew instantly that the concept would rub some folks wrong. Especially all of you rough & tumble bush-whackers who think fishing isn't fishing unless you've earned that run you're standing in.

    That's fine for you, but I've got sore knees & flat feet!:bawling

    I assume it wouldn't be allowed on the Yakima, or anywhere else that motorized boats aren't allowed now. I am often frustrated when I want to float say, the Skykomish, but I'm alone and I don't have a shuttle, so I leave my pontoon boat at home and settle for some sorry easy-access run. With this baby, I could put in, cruise upstream a couple miles and float my way back down.

    I think its expensive enough that you're not going to see hordes of them on the river anytime soon.
  12. Jim Wallace Smells like low tide

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    On bigger rivers like the Sky, Cowlitz or any other river or body of water where jet sleds and other motorized craft are often used, it wouldn't be out of place. My concern is that some yahoo would take it way up some smaller river, tributary, or creek where noisy, polluting, fume-spewing craft don't belong. That thing looks like it could be navigated up some mighty skinny water.

  13. Jim Wallace Smells like low tide

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    Actually, Clay, search and rescue or law enforcement might be a good use for one of these craft. In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing a Game Warden in one swooping in on some poacher. Motorpsychol Fish Cops!

  14. Miller Member

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    First time I see one of these on the water I will have a hard time keeping from laughing hystarically. Since there are no motors allowed on the yak at least we wont see them there. aaaahhhhh, nothing quite like the serenity of a jet motor right behind your head. lol
  15. Roper Idiot Savant

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    What the...?


    Probasco, you slut!


    Good things come to those who wade...
  16. Les Johnson Les Johnson

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    It appears that my continuing search for peace and quiet on a river will never end. In my opinion, what we don't need is more engine noise on our rivers. I really fishing a river the most way back when all guides and sport fishers drifted "downstream only" in their boats and rafts (including yours truly) with only oars for propulsion and control. When we reached the take-out our quiet fishing day was over. Some people are far too eager to turn every recreational activity into a carnival.

    Good Fishing,
    Les Johnson
  17. headstrong1 youngish old guy

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    Amen Les. I cant stand jet boats, jet skis or even snowmobiles. I spend my life trying to get away from them. Nothing like motorized recreation in the wilderness! Its supposed to be where you go to get away from motors. But some can't leave theirs at home. Noise pollution has no place on the river. If pople rowed they wouldn't be so fat. Yes I'm a radical redneck environmentalist akin to Hayduke.:thumb
  18. Mike Etgen Not Quite A Luddite, But Can See One From Here

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    New River Mike

    Re: "...Especially all of you rough & tumble bush-whackers who think fishing isn't fishing unless you've earned that run you're standing in."

    I'm not sure I can entirely agree with that characterization. I'm not assuming that you're suggesting that everyone who seeks out some-of-the-way place is some kind of crazed fanatic. However, I would suggest that some flyfishermen (and outdoorsmen in general) enjoy some "spiritual satisfaction" that can be found when one is willing to get off the beaten path, however one does it.

    I'm sure there is some number who measure success in terms of "degree of difficulty." That's why I'll never aspire to the "Team Rugged" experience. But I sure have a begrudging admiration for that spirit, and maybe if I was younger...

    Speaking only for myself, some of my most enjoyable days on the water have been when I never saw another soul all day - unless it was a fishing buddy. I've sometimes experienced that on float trips through remote areas and sometimes by getting to some place that's been overlooked, and sometimes purely as a matter of timing.

    Anyway, that's another reason this sport is so great - in the end, it's such an individual experience, and allows for so many definitions of enjoyment.

    Something else I suspect is that all of us harbor some small remnant of that little boy or girl who had a piece of woodland or meadow to explore in our youth and imagined in our play that we were the only ones who knew about that (creek, fort, cave, etc.) Personally, I feel I grew up in a wonderful time. There was still a sense of security in the neighborhoods I lived in, and there were woods and fields and old abandoned homesteads to explore, not to mention vacant lots to play ball in. Today's kids, at least those who are reasonably well off, often grow up in relatively sterile surroundings, play only organized sports, and have parents who fear for their well-being if they aren't in line of sight at all times. I'm not suggesting this is right or wrong, but it may have something to do with that desire to find someplace, somewhere, that no one else seems to know about. And maybe it's a peculiarly American trait; we can only imagine what it was like to be part of the Lewis and Clark Expedition.

    Yes, I think it's part of our nature, something that's healthy and very human.

  19. Rob Blomquist Formerly Tight Loops

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    Friend or Foe

    If I saw one of these on the river, I would probably start throwing rocks.

    There is already too much of this stuff around. Where is the peace and quiet of fly fishing?
  20. chadk Be the guide...

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    I think most of you are over reacting. There is no way a little 5HP motor is going to push one of those things (including 200+lbs of person and gear) up most of our rivers - probably just up to the first rapids and that's it.

    Here are some places I do think they'd be almost justifiable:
    * Protected Puget Sound bays (bring along your kayak paddle for backup - as well as other emergency precautions...)
    * Large lakes where float tubes and pontoons are not practicle - especially in the wind. I'd take one of those fishing on Lake Sammamish or out on Potholes Res in a heart beat. Between all the high speed bass boats, ski doos, jet skis, ski boats - these would be down right peaceful out there. Add an electic motor mount on the front for quiet stalking and slow trolling and you are in business!

    The only problem I see is that if I owned one (and I never will), is that I'd be too tempted to take it out on Lake WA during the Sockeye season. That little boat wouldn't do well around bigger faster boats in tight quarters (but you'd be able to skip the 2hr wait at the boat ramp). Same thing for the guys who try to go on rivers. Big jet boats would be my biggest fear.