FYI: Boat-ban suggested for Klickitat, Hoh, other rivers

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by Dan Nelson, Jul 13, 2012.

  1. YAMMY Member

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    Excellant.The Thompson River was regulated as such alledgedly due to B.R.and his ilk hammering Steelhead at Spences Bridge-I understand they were hotshotting.No-one seems to have suffered.Boats are still used on the Thompson-you are just not supposed to fish out of them and have to stand on shore [or sit in a chair if you wish].
    A fair amount of shuttling goes on from Spences Bridge.I have a couple of jet boats and wouldn't mind if there was a boat ban on such quality rivers
  2. freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    We definitely need more regulations -- the WA fisheries pamphlet is borderline anemic as it is currently written. :rolleyes:

    Sorry, just had to get that out -- Ira's to blame as he primed the pump. I agree that some rivers (or sections of rivers) might be better off not allowing fishing from floating craft. The Deschutes is managed this way and it works. As has been noted, fishing from boats allows natural holding spots to simply get hammered. While they may still be accessible from shore or wading, the pressure would be significantly reduced. With increasing pressure on these systems, changes like this are inevitable.
  3. BDD Active Member

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    I'll play devil's advocate on this issue.

    While we squander the remaining resource and allow large impacts go unchecked such as non compliant fish screens, perched culverts, diking, fish blockages, unregulated guiding and a host of other problems, we continue bickering among ourselves on such issues as two-rod endorsements, fishing out of boats, fish allocation and wild steelhead retention, among others.

    We don't need more government, rules, and regulations in our fishing. We need to address the bigger problems that are actually impacting the fish populations.

    I fish out of a pontoon boat, often anchoring because I have a really good boat for doing it. While it wouldn't necessarily bother me to get out and fish from the bank, I would prefer to keep that option open to me. If it resolves a social issue, that is one thing. But studies show that harvest, let alone catch and release steelhead fishing is not the limiting factor to recovery. While I understand we need to implement actions that will aid recovery of wild steelhead, adopting rules that prohibit angling from boats would be pretty futile in recovery efforts.

    Think about all of the already crowded spring-time steelhead fisheries and what it would be like if there was no angling from boats. You will be crowding all the anglers in a handful of rivers onto gravel bars that already have too much traffic as it is. You'd have to setup a number system like you see at the Department of Motor Vehicles just to get a chance to fish through a run.

    If WDFW, NOAA Fish, USFWS, and the tribes want to get serious about wild steelhead recovery, there are dozens of actions that will have a greater affect than to prohibit fishing out of boats.

    I'll start a list:

    Prohibit the harvest and selling of wild fish statewide
    Remove all bag limits of exotic fish in the Columbia (bass,walleye, etc.)
    Enforce HPA permits
    Monitor and enforce activities that are found to be non-compliant
    Prohibit bait in streams year round.
    Implement a guiding program that limits guides and waters that can be fished
    Increase license fees
    Implement a statewide steelhead tag (like what is required for the Columbia)
    Ensure hatchery reform recommendations are being implemented
    Mark all hatchery steelhead
    Review ESA take permits
    All fisheries statewide must be selective (selective in that unmarked fish must be returned alive to the water)

    As you scroll down the list (there are many more) the pressures of society make most of these options nonviable. But again, if folks want to get serious about recovery, drastic measures must take place. And I'm extremely pessimistic that we have the wherewithal to make those changes. So, we will continue to gradually slide downhill to extirpation while we argue about something as trivial as fishing out of a boat.
  4. Benjy Active Member

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    I Think this would take a lot of opportunities away from fishermen, increase crowds in accessible spots, and do little to benefit the fish.

    There needs to be a way to separate the men from the boys in the guide community. For as backwards and bureaucratic as ts state is, why is guiding like the wild west? Guides should be required to carry insurance, be licensed, have basic first aid and pay taxes like the rest of us. Every idiot with a drift boat is a "guide" around here. There are too many who are just in it to make a buck and their actions show that they have nothhing vested in the long term success of these fisheries.

    You want to solve the problem? Figure out a way to grant the "autonomous" nations the autonomy they proclaim to already have.
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  5. Jeff Sawyer Active Member

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    "In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.”
    --Martin Niemöller, 1945
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  6. PT Physhicist

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    The Thompson is an excellent example. No fishing from boats and look at how that run has rebounded... Bwahahaha! Sorry, I know.... It's not funny at all. The numbers are in the toilet and we continue to dance around the issues that really affect our fisheries.

    So, ban angling from boats if it makes you feel better. Or just stop fishing for them. Not fishing for them at all would lead to the biggest impact. Because without fishermen as the fishes advocate they stand no chance. Do you really think anyone who buys steelhead at The Market really gives a crap whether or not WE have a season?

    Get out of your boat if you feel likes that's what is best for the fish.

    It's like an alcoholic giving up whiskey yet still drinking beer and wine. The liver ain't getting any better.
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  7. PT Physhicist

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    +1 for BDD's post!
  8. david.schepers skeeps

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    Its weird how many of your complain day in and day out about the declining steelhead populations. Yet, when a decision is made that may help this problem you bitch. Why? Who said this was “the” answer? It’s an answer that may help. A step in the right direction.
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  9. Chris Johnson Member: Native Fish Society

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    I just skimmed through the proposal and on the penisula rivers the rule would be from feb. 1st to november 30th, on the Sol Duc from the hatchery to the bridge above KLahowa, the Bogey from 101 upstream to the park, the calawah from 101 to the confuence and the Hoh from Morgans crossing to the park. While I think you will still get alot of kick back from boat anglers, there is still plenty of water for them to fish and their hatchery fishery is still intact. It seems reasonable to me, but I rarely fish from a boat in those rivers.
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  10. JesseC Active Member

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    Well that's some important information. Thanks for taking the time to actually read it.
  11. Jim Ficklin Genuine Montana Fossil

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    Well-thought-out & extremely well-put, BDD
  12. TallFlyGuy Adipossessed!

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    BDD
    I think that list is a great start, but even if all those were in place and there were 10x the fish something else would take place. What would that be? Well, for starters, the word would spread even more so that the “said” river(s) had tons of fish and that would bring even more ppl in boats and on shore. Why? I believe there is a correlation between number of fish and number of fishermen. Are tons of fish going to bring out tons more anglers? I think so.

    IT really sucks to be swinging a run, and have 10 boats go by, and some of them tossing their bobbers and nymphs in the run when they get 20 yds past you, or even worse, never pick up and just fish right over you. If there were more fish, that would cause even more boats to do the same.

    If a rule were in place that made people get off their ass, and get out of a boat, would it help the situation? I believe so. Are certain spots going to be crowded? Probably, but it might open up more spots that are a little tougher to get to. I think the overall effect is a good thing, especially if you look at the Deschutes and the Sandy River in Oregon. Both require you to fish from the shore.
  13. Chris Bellows The Thought Train

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    Which WSC proposals are most Nazi-like?

    Is it the ban on all harvest of wild steelhead?
    Is it the ban on all harvest of resident rainbows?
    Or is it just the no fishing out of boats on a few stretches of river that is most Nazi-like?

    Seems like it is only fascist when you disagree with the rule.

    There should be a discussion and debate on the issue of boat bans but equating fishing rule changes to Nazi Germany adds nothing to the debate.
  14. JS Active Member

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    If you fished the Klick as much as I do, and have seen and heard about certain guide programs that include GPS coordinates for every fish they have landed on the bead, you may feel that a boat fishing ban is a little more appropriate. I own a boat, and have run the bobber game just like the rest......but I honestly feel as though this is a good step for those wild fish. They just get throttled for months on end, as Evan has stated above. All this libertarian rabble rousing is interesting though.......
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  15. Evan Salmon Member

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    If a rule were in place that made people get off their ass, and get out of a boat, would it help the situation? I believe so. Are certain spots going to be crowded? Probably, but it might open up more spots that are a little tougher to get to. I think the overall effect is a good thing, especially if you look at the Deschutes and the Sandy River in Oregon. Both require you to fish from the shore.[/quote]

    They'll get me out of my driftboat when they pry my cold, dead ass out of the rowing seat. : )
  16. Evan Burck Fudge Dragon

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    I think the klick is in a whole other debate compared to the OP rivers. The OP fish, for the most part, roll in and spawn in a relatively quick manner. The Klick fish roll in all summer long looking for a place to chill til next spring. They find a nice bucket to hang out and will have beads by the dozen hitting them in the face every day from June to November since the guys on that river know exactly where they like to chill for a bit.

    I think some restraint needs to be shown in some of these fisheries. I have started to try this myself, limiting my klikitat fishing to one trip last year, and only one real OP trip this winter. I just don't feel like my adding to the problem is something I want to let happen any more. There are still plenty of fisheries that I'll employ a variety of methods and boat fishing on, but I think the ones listed here are special cases that were due to be dealt with.
  17. skyrise Active Member

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    you could throw in the Sky, say from the Wallace upstream. of course then you have the question of getting the hatchlings out of the system. no way to do this without pissing off some one.
  18. fireman10 Member

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    I am in total agreement with a boat fishing ban on the Klick. Way too many guides pounding the cut banks with there beads. Way too many bobber guides and plug pullers. My family and I do alot of fishing on the Klick and have more fun and higher success rates when we slow down pull over and fish from shore. Theres plenty of river and lots of runs. Not to mention getting the "whitefishing" guys out of there boats and in the water during winter might slow down on the "accidental" steelhead catches that happen now.
  19. TomB Active Member

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    There was no other alternative? I only fish from the shore on that river and both myself and friends of mine have caught fish while wading and fishing swung flies in all sections. Anyone who tells you it isn't possible either doesn't know what they are talking about or is lying to you.
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  20. underachiever !

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    Seems pretty clear to me that his point isn't equating the rules to nazi Germany, but rather commenting on how it's all well and good until it's you that's negatively impacted.