Article Geo-thermal fracking

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  1. nomlasder Active Member

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    While I am all for finding new energy sources, the risk and possible damage to ground water is unpredictable in my opinion.

    January 15, 2013
    AltaRock Energy says it has a way to boost geothermal production


    • The Seattle company says it has created three geothermal reservoirs from a single well where none existed before.

    By JEFF BARNARD
    AP Environmental Writer

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    AP Photo/The Bulletin, Ryan Brennecke
    Brandon Forseth, left, and Blaine Williams drill a small test well at Newberry Crater near LaPine, Ore. AltaRock says it has succeeded in a key technological step that could expand geothermal energy. It also used a new approach designed to avoid induced earthquakes.
    GRANTS PASS, Ore. — Geothermal energy developers working on the flanks of an ancient Oregon volcano say they have taken an important technological step toward expanding geothermal energy from a small niche into a potential major source of homegrown power, but more work needs to be done.
    AltaRock Energy of Seattle says the data is still being analyzed, but they are confident they have created three geothermal reservoirs from a single well where none existed before. The breakthrough solves two problems holding back the next level of geothermal development, known as Enhanced Geothermal Systems, or EGS: creating reservoirs big enough for commercial production in places they don't occur naturally, and holding down costs.
    The project is at Newberry Crater, the remains of an ancient volcano in central Oregon's Cascade Range. The site has plenty of heat in rocks deep below the surface to boil water into steam, but none of the cracks and fissures in the rock needed to serve as a steam reservoir for a geothermal power plant.
    Last fall, engineers pumped cold water into the ground, cracking open fissures in the deep rock, a process known as hydroshearing. They then sealed one reservoir from the other using a new technology. They injected ground-up recycled plastic bottles, which plugged up the cracks in one reservoir while millions of gallons of cold water were being pumped in to create another. Then the plastic diffused, leaving behind three reservoirs.
    Company president Susan Petty said in an email that more analysis and testing are needed to show if the reservoirs are good enough for commercial power production in the future — which would be achieved by using steam from the reservoirs to spin turbines to generate electricity.
    The U.S. Department of Energy, which is covering half the $43.8 million cost of the Newberry project, says if the initial indications hold up, the Newberry project would mark the first time in the world that multiple geothermal reservoirs have been created on purpose from a single well in a new area.
    “So far, things are looking really exciting,” said Lauren Boyd, acting team leader for enhanced geothermal systems at Energy.
    Heat in the Earth's crust has been used to generate power for more than a century. Hot water or steam that bubbles near the surface is tapped to spin turbines that create electricity. Most of the obvious areas where the three key elements come together — hot rocks, cracks in the rocks, and water — have been exploited. The new frontier is places with hot rocks, but no cracks in the rocks to deliver the steam. That's where EGS comes in. It creates the cracks in the rocks.
    Creating multiple reservoirs from a single well is key to making EGS economical, because drilling each well is so expensive, said Nicholas C. Davatzes, assistant professor of earth and environmental science at Temple University, who helped develop a computer model describing the structure of the rock before it was fractured.
    “The big impact Newberry has right now is that they appear to have stimulated multiple distinct zones,” he said.
    Hydroshearing is similar to the process known as hydraulic fracturing, used to free natural gas from shale formations. But fracking uses chemical-laden fluids, and creates huge fractures, too big for geothermal power.
    In another recent EGS breakthrough, Calpine Corp. connected two depleted wells to create a new source of power at the nation's largest natural steam resource, the Geysers in Northern California, Boyd said. Multiple reservoirs have also been created from one well by accident in Europe.
    The Newberry project followed a new international protocol designed to avoid the kinds of induced earthquakes that shut down an EGS project in downtown Basel, Switzerland. AltaRock reported that seismic monitoring showed tiny tremors so small that instruments registered a larger impact from an earthquake in Japan
    Still to come at Newberry is drilling one or two production wells to show whether these reservoirs can provide enough steam to run a commercial geothermal power plant.
    “If we can demonstrate that we can create a geothermal reservoir here, then we can have more confidence in our ability to move to similar locations, maybe near other Cascades volcanoes,” Petty said.
    The Newberry project is one of 230 funded by Department of Energy to create a pathway for private industry to develop geothermal energy into a major source of homegrown power, said Doug Hollette, program manager for the Geothermal Technologies Office at Energy.
    The effort is similar to one started by the department in the 1970s, which is now bearing fruit with cheap natural gas from shale deposits, he said.
    Commercial production with EGS is still a long way off, because it depends on developing new technologies, he said. In the near term, the department is developing maps of potential new areas to develop conventional geothermal power, including areas that show no signs on the surface. They are expected to be ready in a few years. In the medium term, the DOE is financing development of low-temperature geothermal, and tapping abandoned oil and gas wells for their heat, known as coproduction. Other projects involve adopting horizontal drilling techniques, now common in oil and gas, to connect multiple geothermal reservoirs in a field.
    There are 3.2 gigawatts of geothermal power connected to the U.S. grid, less than 1 percent of the grid's capacity. Government estimates put the potential for new discoveries of conventional geothermal power at about 30 gigawatts, and EGS at more than 100 gigawatts over the next 50 years. That would be 10 percent of the grid's current capacity.
    “We are big believers that EGS will be a successful part of the energy mix once we show the pathway,” Hollette said.
  2. zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    Let's hope they don't plumb too deep and start another volcano. Hmmm.... that thought might be the basis for another volcano movie.
  3. Greg Pucilowski Member

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    Good article, thanks for posting. I know some guys from Major drilling who are or were drilling a geothermal well somewhere in Oregon this past summer. It will be interesting to see their results from the planned production wells.
  4. Kaari White Active Member

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    Checkout the documentary "Gas Land." I believe it's available on onDemand for HBO. Scary stuff!
  5. Jim Wallace Smells like low tide

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    I haven't seen that one yet, but I am for complete and total disclosure of the chemical formulas used. Those corporations doing the fracking are unwilling to disclose what chemicals they are using, claiming that the formulas are proprietary. I'm sure this is BS. I'll bet its that they just don't want to disclose the toxic nature of the chemical components they use in their fracking compounds, due to the PR shit storm it would create.

    This geothermal fracking is just using water for the fracturing. I'm not convinced that filling cracks with ground-up plastic bottles is a great idea, but this is not the same issue as fracking for gas drilling.

  6. Jim Wallace Smells like low tide

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    I suspect that there is the possibility of some chemical leaching into groundwater from the ground-up plastic bottles. Maybe BPA. Also, its yet another use of precious water. I just discovered another documentary that I want to see, called "Thirst."
  7. freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    Like wind turbines, they're damn unsightly too. Agree that all chemicals should be disclosed or at least they answer yes/no as to whether their proprietary blend contains any of the known nasty base components. There is another detailed special I saw (can't remember where) that went into the process details and that many of the claims of damage being unwarranted...hmm, who to believe.
  8. Jeremy Floyd fly fishing my way through life

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    I did some Geo fracking once.. Let me tell ya, those back seats are super cramped.
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  9. Klickrolf Active Member

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    That ain't a documentary...it's a movie, with very specific bias. Designed to make people stupid through limited and directed data.

    Scary stuff indeed!
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  10. Tim Lockhart Working late at The Office

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    RS ran a very opinionated article last March on the natural gas issue. Focus was on Aubrey McClendon and Chesapeake Energy. Good intro to the subject and some of the major players at the very least.

    Oh, almost forgot. CHK's response :D
  11. ribka Active Member

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  12. Kaari White Active Member

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    That's what all documentaries are: biased with a limited point of view. However, I'll argue it makes people think rather than "make people stupid."
  13. Chris Bellows The Thought Train

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    as with most things, the burden is on proving harm after the genie is out of the bottle versus proving safety before opening the bottle.
  14. Trustfunder Active Member

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    There's a great spot they should go and test out to save the taxpayers a few nickles... have you heard of it? It's called Yellowstone a perfect place for geothermal activity and how water blasts out of a spout every 15 minutes in one location I heard.

    If all the dams in this country got paid .35 cents of federal funds for every dollar they produced in electricity there wouldn't be any water left for fish. Beyond that you wouldn't be on here fueling your windpowerd computer or phone. So take it how it is now and was to get you to this point, the only fracking that's done is to ride your wind, geothermal. welding aliminum, rubber wheeled, plastic helmet, bottled watered mountain bike to your favorite water to use a grahphite, carbonite fly line with a STEEL hook to catch a fish of your dreams.
  15. ribka Active Member

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    Afraid my friend it is too late. Fracking has released mothra


  16. freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    Nice utopian tenet, but if the world operated on that basis we'd all be living in grass huts and digging for grubs...well, perhaps most on WFF would fish, but I that's besides the point.
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