Guiding Not Permitted?

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  1. sleestak240

    sleestak240 Active Member

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    Most of the guys fishing the Thompson are Canadians...and most of the people breaking regulations and killing fish are Canadians/locals. I don't see very many foreign plates there...BC and Alberta make up 90% of the vehicles there. There is a very fine line to toe before you bite the hand that feeds...NRA's already make up the bulk of contributions to the classified fee system...step over that line and a lot of money goes bye-bye.
     
  2. Brian Thomas

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    Americans , and other NRA`s , are the least of the problems the Thompson faces .
     
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  3. JesseC

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    You must have been drunk as hell when you typed this Mumbles.... run on of the year award!
     
  4. golfman65

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    That "guy" owns property on that river..he pays his taxes to the province of b.c and is a local..no matter where he's from...he's also one of the coolest people in the sport..he opens his house for "american" thanksgiving as it's on a different month then b.c. to all who care to stop in...and that's probably 99% canadian....
    Since spences is almost completely bankrupt and almost devoid of anywhere to stay or eat it's a very welcome place if you have any class and/or he invites you...

    Us foreigners spend $20 a day to have the privelge of fishing that fine river on the odd chance it opens....it is NOTHING like the smithers area ..nothing!!! there are no more foreigners coming from long distances to stay and fish there...as there is no where for them to do so and without knowing if it will open at all in the first place...
     
  5. YAMMY

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  6. YAMMY

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    So this cool guy takes business away from the Motels and the RV park in the dismal economy of Spences Bridge? THAT'S COOL?
     
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    "That cool guy" happens to have contributed significant amounts of money to the Steelhead Society of BC as well...what have you done for the Thompson YAMMY?

    Foreign anglers are not an issue on the Thompson. I love how you act like you're trying to speak for the business owners in the area...guess what would happen if the idea you proposed a few posts back were to happen...yeah, mull that one over...your posts reek of hypocrisy and spite.
     
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    Limiting Non resident use and guides ( outfitters) is a very effective managment tool. Reducing over fishing pressure while spreading the opportunity accross the spectrum of users. As far as the Skeena, it's not our backyard, so if they want preserve a little more for themselves, duh!

    Another example that appears to work for everyone.
    http://fwp.mt.gov/fwpDoc.html?id=45118
     
  9. Benjy

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    You've never fished the Beaverhead have you?
     
  10. ak_powder_monkey

    ak_powder_monkey Proud to Be Alaskan

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    We've got no guide days on the kenai, we also have no motor days on the kenai. I wish they would implement some fees as well.

    Clearly the only option is to figure out how to immigrate to Canada
     
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  12. Chris Johnson

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    Better have lots of dough, cause if you don't, they don't want ya
     
  13. Vipp

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    Maybe, you should have actually taken the time to get know this American fellow who bought a house in Spences Bridge. Maybe spent some time at the fore mentioned house, and actually see for yourself what is going on there. If you had, you would found out first hand that nothing shady is going on. Most importantly, you would come to realize this fellow from the States is one of the most impressive individuals that one could have the good fortune of meeting. It is rare to meet an individual who is as accomplished at not only angling but everything he does. It is even rarer to come across an individual this accomplished who achieves even greater levels as far a being a great human being. Nobody is perfect, he maybe a bit too generous. His generosity maybe the reason that you have your suspicions. Nobody is actually like that generous. In this case, he is actually that generous, and yes he is that good of a person. If only all our neighbors including those to the South could be like this fellow. He has never asked anything in return for his generosity. Of those staying at the house, there are only a few requirements which are nonnegotiable. Respect the house, clean up after yourself. To the best of your ability, be respectful of the feelings, beliefs and opinions of the other guest of the house. Respect the possessions and property of others. Lastly, don't be a tool !!! You might have trouble with last one. Sadly, it is far too obvious that you did not take the time before you typed out that innuendo laced shite of a post. Really, you are talking unsubstantiated shite about this fellow from the States for being generous, for being good and decent person. If you had actually taken the time you would already know this. A suggestion, you should man up a bit. Confront people face to face, before you post shite like that. Other wise people might get the wrong idea that you are some kind of weasel ! Vipp.
     
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    Yammy,
    What about that “American guy” who bought a house in Spence’s Bridge? I happen to be one of those “friends” who rotates thru and let me tell you something, that’s no illegal guiding operation, that place is the “spey angling club”. It’s a brotherhood of amazing friends & anglers ( both Canadian and Americans alike ) who have been fishing there together for years. All are welcome, and as the Vipp pointed out, you need only be courteous of others who happen to be staying at the house, respect everyone’s opinions, clean up after yourself, and above all else, leave a cool fly on the wall as an offering. As for the owner, he is hands down the nicest man in the sport of fly fishing. I first met that “American guy” at the Log Cabin Pub. I had been living out of a wall tent with a bunch of buddies at the Grease Hole for a few weeks and like we did every night, we found ourselves warming our outsides AND insides at the Log Cabin Pub ( Owned by Spences Bridge locals who happen to be extremely close friends of ours and that “American guy” ). I happened to be sitting at the bar next to that “American guy” and he asked me if I had been fishing, we spent the rest of the night sharing stories of fish and mutual friends over MANY beers ( a few of the many THOUSANDS of American dollars we have spent in that LOCAL establishment ). When it was all said and done, he said, “if you ever need a place to stay, let me know, I just bought this place for me and my close fishing buddy’s to hang out while were here fishing together, your welcome to stay anytime”. Well, lots of people throw out invitations like that and I often take them with a bit of a grain of salt, but about a year or so later I was heading up to fish the T, it was December and I only had the weekend to fish so I wasn’t too stoked about camping which I had historically done because I didn’t have a lot of money to hotel it. I called that “American guy” up to see if by chance he was going to be up there and if he would mind if I threw my “rack” out on his floor. He said he wasn’t, but that I should go see Laurie at the pub who had a spare key. He then said, get that key, have one made for yourself and don’t ever ask me again if I can stay there and that I was always welcome. That “American guy” is now one of my best friends and favorite people in this world. He has done more for the sport of fishing and conservation of fisheries than most people I know and he is a damn good man. Money isn’t a huge concern for him and he sure as hell doesn’t need to run an illegal guide operation to keep himself fed. As for turning that fishery into a limited fishing opportunity for non-residents ( 5-7 days annually ). That river and the town of Spences Bridge need ALL the friends they can get right now, because if haven’t you noticed, that run is in the proverbial toilet and it’s not as a result of sport fishing or pressure on the river. It IS as a result of in river net fishery for the chums down in the Fraser and the water rights issues up the Nicola valley, both of which are way bigger issues than just you or I. So Yammy, before you comment on something which you have absolutely no knowledge, you ought to educate yourself on the subject. And, if you are going to call someone out openly on a public forum, you ought to use your real or full name so everyone knows who you are. Which is the problem with forums, it give assholes instant credibility with zero accountability, in other words, quit hiding behind a moniker and give us your real name if you are going to talk smack about others.

    Chris Andersen
     
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  15. golfman65

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    Well said gentleman!!
     
  16. kjsteelhead

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    Some of the rivers in the Skeena and Nass system have rod-day quotas on guides. While watching the Methow explode with guides all up and down the river over the past few years, dodging a bazillion boats and rafts on the Hoh recently, as well as listening to some horror stories of over-competitive guides on the Grande Ronde, I really appreciate the lack of crowds up north. After fishing a semi-famous tributary of the Nass, I also appreciate the rod quota for the fact that it's rare to be able to fish where there is no trash and it all looks the as pristine as the first day I set foot in the river. Maybe rod quotas on some of our rivers rather than shutting them down entirely might not be such a bad idea.
     
  17. Jim Darden

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    I just wish Washington would reciprocate and charge non-resident aliens the BC prices for river and salt water fishing in our state. I guess Washington doesn't think too highly of its resource.
     
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  18. Evan Burck

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    That's something you won't hear much debate about
     
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  19. golfman65

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    maybe you get what you pay for in WA. Jim? Can fish b.c. year round for the most part for steelhead...can go to Oregon and pay $135 for a license..(about the same as i pay in b.c.for my license and steelhead tag) and fish year round for the most part...

    It would be interesting to see if WA. took the same road and actually used the money for enhancement and restoration of our rivers...god forbid if we told out of state guides to find somewhere else to fish on weekends and let residents in....
     
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    Bang on Golfman65!.....I wonder why I fish in Washington
     

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