Hatchery advocates strike back

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  1. jake-e-boy

    jake-e-boy No mas

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    I wouldn't worry too much - our hatchery returns are in the rage of .05 to .07% - the Skagit sent out around 230K to 240K since 2006 and they get about 900-1000 back and the system over the hill to the north is going to get a bunch more fish as well. they can all meet up at the 522 bridge
     
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    I just find it sadly funny that they actually broke into a hatchery
     
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    hydrological beads are NOT flies and snagging is just ghetto

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    its not like they'll be able to fish for them anyway. word is only the o.p. will be open for winters next year, and only for gill netting :eek:
     
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    fucking sore losers.
     
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    Inside job. Has to be.

    (this is the opinion of Evan Burck, and not a factual statement based on any empirical evidence. this does not represent the stance of any of his employers or affiliates)
     
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    I was disappointing after watching this. I am trying so hard to learn about this issue as until then I will not form an opinion on the issue or jump on any bandwagons. I did feel that the kiro 7 story was very one sided, and wondered why kiro 7 chose to be so subjective. I want to see a quality story where both sides are filmed, and there points are made. Or we can have finluver, against someone on this forum in a celebrity deathmatch or something.
     
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    Watch hatchery vs wild and then catch a screening of wild reverence, should be pretty obvious who is in it for the fish with scientific data to back them up and who is in it for the money
     
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    Im down for the deathmatch. However traditional Indian (India, Indian) wrestling might be more appropriate.

    Canvas diapers, oiled wrestlers. 'Nuff said.
     
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    Wet wllies and indian burns not allowed
     
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    David Dalan 69°19'15.35" N 18°44'22.74" E

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    Wuss :)
     
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    Bob Triggs Stop Killing Wild Steelhead!

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    When you go to that story, on the Channel 7 page, there is a provision there for comments about that story. You can log on there and speak your mind.
     
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    this one is not bad yet, just Mr. Triggs and I so far.... on the other one though... yeah it is hatchery idiot heaven, love that they claim "science has proven no more wild fish" really? cause the genetic tests i'm looking at in an independent peer-reviewed paper say other wise, and that is on the cowtitz aka hatchery heaven

    edit: nvm it is this article that is hatchery guys, other one regarding the "investigation" is still ok
     
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    post fail
     
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    http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01388/wdfw01388.pdf

    posted here so other peeps can view and PM sent sir!
     
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    I love wild fish. I am much more concerned that htey were born "of the river" than any genetic purity. The genetic purity argument is a red herring.
    If there were hatchery fish that suceeded, they would be the answer in some circumstances.

    Go Sox,
    cds
     
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    As Charles noted above (my "reply w/quote button" doesn't work anymore!), here's copy/paste method.

    "I love wild fish. I am much more concerned that they were born "of the river" than any genetic purity. The genetic purity argument is a red herring.
    If there were hatchery fish that suceeded, they would be the answer in some circumstances.

    Go Sox,
    cds"

    I've become entirely convinced that "born of the river" is the only solution that could possibly work. I also fully agree the "genetic purity" argument is a red herring. Successful hatchery fish have, by definition, proved they are up the task, if not (as in "pure luck"), their progeny will be naturally removed from the population.
     
  19. David Dalan

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    Amen. I'm in favor of protecting the local fish, but wild reared is miles beyond factory fish IMO.
     
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    Here is my question. Again please forgive me if it is stupid as I really know nothing about this. But, from what I know so far, the hatchery programs are clearly failing, and it is felt that getting rid of these programs will allow native fish populations to come back. However, if we did that wouldnt we need to shut all the rivers down for a period of time from all recreational fishing, and commercial actions? Seems if we are to let them be and do there thing, we need to take humans out of the equation. Or is there evidence that sport fishing, and other things like commercial programs have no effect on native populations?
     

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