Headwaters Bamboo Rod Company

Discussion in 'Bamboo, Fiberglass & Classic Reels' started by Bones24, Nov 16, 2010.

  1. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

    As I may have mentioned one warm afternoon on the SF last August, my first two cane rods were a pair that I bought from Mike Brooks for $1,500 (for both). When I decided to try my first used classic American rod the following year, a late 1960s Orvis Superfine 7-1/2' 2/2 that I won on eBay for $750, I decided to sell the two Brooks rods to help out with cash flow. It took me half a year to finally get them both sold (individually, not as a pair) and then they only brought $550 together. That's a $950 loss on the two rods.

    I eventually sold the Orvis to finance another cane rod (a T&T Special Trouter, I believe). It went within an hour after posting it on Clark's for full asking price of $950 plus shipping, a $200 profit for a rod I fished for over 3 years.

    What's the difference between the two experiences? At the time, while Mike Brooks enjoyed a modest but good reputation as a regional builder, nobody on the east coast had heard of him, so the resale market for his rods was pretty thin. OTOH, everybody knew about Orvis Superfines.

    I still regret selling the Orvis. By comparison, I rarely even think about the two Brooks rods.

    K
     
  2. Alex MacDonald

    Alex MacDonald Dr. of Doomology

    OK, I took a look at their websites, and from the looks of their prices, the "not much more" works out to be more than double these cheap Chinese rods.

    Tim, your advice is sound, and I should heed it especially given what the rest of you are saying. Bottom line is, I'm basically trying to make the proverbial silk purse here. So...I'll get one of these cheap things to play with, and later this spring, pick up a really nice custom from one of the "Oh My!!!" rod makers like Bob Oyster. Once the infamous duck club down in the Butte Sink sells, I owe it to myself to place those memories somewhere special.
     
  3. Tim Cottage

    Tim Cottage Formerly tbc1415

    If a presentation rod is what you are after I think that Bill Oyster is at the top of the heap. The combination of his outstanding design sensibilities and his impecable and versitile craftsmanship put him there. I can't think of anyone else who truly does it all himself as well as Bill. There are others who make great looking presentation rods but many of them have some of the bling done by others. I'm thinking of the engraving here and in some cases other of the hardware components.

    Some people are put off by the very idea of such rods but I am not one of them. I just can't afford one.

    TC
     
  4. Alex MacDonald

    Alex MacDonald Dr. of Doomology

    He certainly did a fantastic on Carter's rod, eh? Since this would be a "memory" rod for me, I'll probably have celtic knotwork around bottom reel seat, and my initials on the butt cap. Other than that, probably nothing else. I also want to save up to have Doug Turnbull restore my little 28ga. hammergun!
     
  5. Tim Cottage

    Tim Cottage Formerly tbc1415

  6. LD

    LD Active Member

    Here's the Thramer rod -
    http://clarksclassicflyrodforum.yuku.com/topic/39927

    And you can buy an orvis rod for $400-500 range

    Lew Parks sells rods on ebay fairly often. they have been going for around $600.

    Still for my money I would spend and additional $100 or $200 and get a better rod, and one you have a chance to get your money back if you decide to sell.
     
  7. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

    I have a Lew Parks 4wt. It is a Cattanach taper and holy smokes does it impress. Lew was great to deal with and when I'm able I will add more of his handiwork to my collection. I have used that little 4wt and cast an 85' floating fly line to the backing knot...with Bitterroot as my witness...on a trip down the St. Joe. I do not know if the Lew C Parks rods fits into your or anyone else's budget but they should merit consideration.
     
  8. Cliff

    Cliff Member

    Just thought I'd say that I bought one of the Zhu rods off ebay a year ago and I've had great fun with it. I fished it a lot this past spring and summer and have had no problems at all with ferrules, wraps, finish, etc. I believe both Tim & Kent tried it out at Calligan and were favorably impressed considering the cost of the rod. I don't know if these are the same that Headwaters is using, though.

    Cliff
     
  9. bitterroot

    bitterroot Love vintage graphite!

    I didn't see a thing......:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
  10. Tim Cottage

    Tim Cottage Formerly tbc1415


    I do remember that rod. What I remember most was that you had a nearly new silk line on it that was not yet broken in making casting difficult.
    In spite of that I did get the sense that the rod was doing its job well enough.

    I have no outstanding issues with Mr. Zhu's rods as long as they are structurally sound.


    TC
     
  11. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

    Speaking of silk lines, didn't we get some of Mr. Zhu's untreated lines earlier this year? Have you tried yours Tim?

    K
     
  12. Tim Cottage

    Tim Cottage Formerly tbc1415

    We did get some unfinished lines but I have not completed the finish regime on the Zhu silks.
    Doing it the old fashion way takes many coats of oil with long dry times for each coat. There is a much faster drying and faster building concoction that can be used but what fun would that be?
    I do have a 4 3/4 wt Terenzio that I used at the end of this season.

    TC
     
  13. Cliff

    Cliff Member

    Tim, I'm just about ready to pull the trigger on a Terenzio line. How do you like yours?
    Cliff
     
  14. Tim Cottage

    Tim Cottage Formerly tbc1415

    I like it a lot. I got mine very lightly (a few times) used for about half price. Its a double taper with a well designed taper that turns over nicely.

    Terenzio lines come with a proprietary floatant. There is some controversy about the floatant containing silicon and the desirability of silicon in contact with varnish. The whole issue can be circumvented by not using his floatant and just using red label mucilin like every other silk line maker recommends.

    TC
     
  15. Cliff

    Cliff Member

    Tim, thanks for clearing up the proprietary floatant story. I had read about that and wasn't sure how much was truth or fallacy. I still use my Thebault line most often, and the Zhu line as a backup (I wasn't one of those who stripped the Zhu).
    Cliff
     
  16. Tim Cottage

    Tim Cottage Formerly tbc1415

  17. Cliff

    Cliff Member

    Thanks Tim. $116.00 USD shipped isn't bad. I'll be looking into this. Appreciate the link.
    Cliff