I'll have to try the "image" insert thing up there. The cat in my avatar's a 14 footer. You can haul solo expedition loads on a 12 ft cat if the tubes are big enough diam - at least 20". That used to be my favorite size when I was younger since that's about as big as you can go and still control the boat in slower water with fins if you want - but big enough to handle some pretty outrageous water with the oars. Now I'm just as happy rowing as casting or taking pictures and so 14' by 25" (NRS River Cat) tubes with an 8 ft frame is big enough for a passenger plus a decent amt of gear. Cataporn? I'm gettin light headed just thinking about it.