That's where I come from. I guess I meant if one fish dies from being caught, that could affect the numbers a tiny bit. A teeny tiny bit. But like you say, not enough to make a measurable difference. When you see that the escapement goal in the system is a measly 2,400 fish, that boggles my mind. I know guys say not to compare it to PS rivers, but with the Skagit making returns of 6k fish without a fishery, even C&R that is pretty crazy. With hatchery fish 2,400 fish would be a giant return. Hatchery fish are necessary because their will always be the anglers that want to catch and kill. Some of our hatcheries are really too expensive to keep doing what they are doing. We should focus on the hatchery programs that do work, put numbers in those systems that support the catch and kill fishery, and let the other rivers wild fish runs rebuild. It's political, and I'm not a fan of politics.