I don't mean to be rude, but . . .

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Trapper Badovinac, Apr 8, 2014.

  1. Trapper Badovinac

    Trapper Badovinac Author, Writer, Photographer

    I haven't been on this forum very long, but it seems like I see a lot of posts like:

    "I'm traveling to Montana in ________ (pick a month). And I'll be staying near _________ (pick a Montana city). I wonder if anyone could give me info about _______ (guides, streams)."

    As I was posting on a thread this morning about someone wanting info around Kalispell, I remembered we just had a thread like that. I posted on that thread with photos, etc. The thread was titled
    Looking For Guide Service around Glacier or Kalispell MT.

    So I wondered - Should I just cut and paste from the other thread? Direct the guy to that thread? Or just summarize without photos?

    The truth, as I see it, is like asking "I'm going to Las Vegas next month. Does anyone know of a place to gamble?"

    In Montana, unless you're standing in the middle of a 20-section wheat field, you can pretty much cast your fly into any moving water and catch trout.

    And sure, I understand people have very limited vacation time and they don't want to waste any of it, but why not just do a search on this site and then follow up with a thread for the information you didn't get?

  2. Luke77

    Luke77 I hope she likes whitefish

    It's always easier to be fed information with a silver spoon than to work for it, so I think people are hoping for the easy handout.
  3. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

    It's worth remembering that while there are a number of knowledgable, hard-core fishers here, they're far outnumbered by newbies or very occasional fishers. Posts seeking obvious information that may seem repetitive and tedious to some (and I've certainly been among them on occasion), nonetheless come from folks who feel comfortable enough asking simple questions of a knowledgeable group of folks they trust will steer them in the right direction. Or at least have the decency not to get pissed off for asking.

  4. psycho

    psycho Active Member

    It's a generation thing, some of us enjoyed the search.To me searching was more fun than finding, always seem to feel a bit of a let down when the search was over.:( Others had mommy and daddy always take care of them, never really had to search for anything.:D I have a niece like that and a grand niece and nephew, they never even learned how to clean their rooms.:eek:
  5. jake-e-boy

    jake-e-boy No mas

    well then i must be an anomaly... disagree with it being a "generation thing" cause it is a parenting thing. glad you highlighted that part in the 2nd part of your post
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  6. Trapper Badovinac

    Trapper Badovinac Author, Writer, Photographer

    That makes sense, Kent. Maybe I just approach these types of things differently.

    Back to the Las Vegas analogy. If I were going to Las Vegas to gamble, I might post something like "I've researched the casinos on the Strip and downtown Las Vegas. They all seem to offer the same choices of table games, slots, etc. Can anyone tell me if there are casinos where the odds at the Blackjack tables are better than others?"

    That seems much more reasonable than just posting a general question like "Where can I gamble in Las Vegas?" which someone could, and likely has, written an entire book about.

    Have I got this all wrong and folks are just so new to fly fishing they don't even know what questions to ask?

  7. Derek Young

    Derek Young 2011 Orvis Endorsed Fly Fishing Guide Of The Year

    It is a curious phenomenon indeed. Perhaps using a search engine, that has been optimized to know exactly what you want to find with just a few letters typed into the "search for" box, is uncomfortable for some. What does the computer know that anonymous people on a fly fishing site don't? Depends on what you are looking for - honest, experience-based information from real people, or "ads" bought and paid for just for a little bit of market share.

    And then just a little bit more...everyday.
  8. Old406Kid

    Old406Kid Active Member

    From the generational standpoint, I'm now at the point that I forget what was said 5 minutes ago
    so repetition has become a good thing.;)
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  9. flybill

    flybill Purveyor of fine hackle, wine & cigars!


    I've been on this site for 10 years now and it really hasn't changed that much. A simple search, just on the forum, would probably turn up more info than a person could go through in a while! My solution, answer when I want too.. if I want too!

    I do think there are more people on this site now than ever, so sometimes I choose not to give my opinion or locations where I've been.. it's not that it a secret spot, most of the time its that I want to be able to go back and not see 200 people in that place! I've spent a lot of time, money and ga$ exploring around the NW.. that's part of the fun of it for me anyways...

    Anyway, I agree with you wholeheartedly! I'll give the big secret to the masses, that I've learned over the years about MT.. if the fishing not good where you're at, drive an hour or two.. sometimes less.. and you'll find good water somewhere! If runoff is high, hit the Misourri River or Beaverhead.. the thing I love about MT, is there's always somewhere to go and fish!

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  10. GAT

    GAT Active Member

    Trapper, just cut and paste your previous post that answers the current question. I'd hate to think you're becoming hostile in your old age :D
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  11. Josh

    Josh dead in the water

    As someone who has made his living for most of the past decade in the web-community world, there are two things I would note about this:

    1. Information goes out of date. This site has threads going back over ten years now. Rivers close, shops close, guides quit or move or die. Accurate information in a changing world requires new data a lot of the time.

    2. More importantly, people like to talk. That's why we're all here. That's why forums exist. If we only ever had threads that hadn't been asked before, the site would dry up pretty quickly and you'd have a dusty encyclopedia. If you like the idea of a community of people talking about something they love, then you need to accept some amount of repetition. If you don't feel like answering a repetitive thread, then don't. Somebody else who isn't quite as tired of that particular topic will be happy to do so.

    To answer your specific question. You could do either. But I tend to summarize and link back to the other thread. "This just came up last month and as I said there, John Smith is a great guide blah blah blah, here's a link to that thread" Better for search engines, more polite to the regulars who have already read the previous thread.
  12. zen leecher aka bill w

    zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

    Researching a trip is half the fun. Also, who knows what extra bit of info might fall out of the initial investigation. I went to fish the Musselshell one trip. To this date I have never fished the Musselshell as I found a tributary of it and never ventured from it.
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  13. jwg

    jwg Active Member

    Threads go way off track so even searching leads to threads with the content pretty diluted

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  14. flybill

    flybill Purveyor of fine hackle, wine & cigars!

    A simple internet search (Google, Bing) of "fly fish montana" turns up this site:


    It was number five in the list, on the first page. The site search didn't turn up quite the same, but it is there to use. Especially if you have a little more specific info and search only the titles. Lots of tangents on our threads, but that's the way it goes..

    To be clear, I'm not picking on you specifically JWG, but there is a lot of info out there. I know I've written a fair number of responses over the years to just fishing in MT.

    Also, pick up a copy of Fly Fishing Montana, a good map and some of the floaters maps for the river(s) you're interested in. Get in the car and go! There's a lot of ground to cover, but you'll have fun doing it! It's taken me nearly 20 years to do it...
  15. scottr

    scottr Active Member

    What we really want is to know all your secret spots near Helena so we can low hole you all day and then post trip reports on WWF with tons of fish porn that will help boost our already over-inflated egoes :p.

    BTW for those looking for intel I will be auctioning my dog eared Oregon, Washington, and Montana gazetteers on Ebay. Proceeds will go towards my new vacation property on Ascension Bay :cool:
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  16. JesseC

    JesseC Active Member

    When I don't know the area I really want people to be open and help me out.

    When I do know the area, I am OUTRAGED when people post information about all my "secret" spots.

    Such is the human condition ;)
  17. dibling

    dibling Active Member

    Agree wholeheartedly with one and two (especially two). It's frustrating to see responses that borderline on "IF IT EXISTS ON THE INTERNET SOMEWHERE - WHY ARE YOU ASKING?" Because human interaction is (mostly) more fun than robots? Call me old-fashioned.
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  18. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

    The fact that almost nothing that's ever been posted online gets corrected, updated or deleted has become a huge problem. Just because it's online doesn't make it true.

    Look no further than those who have decided to not vaccinate their children against deadly diseases because someone posted an erroneous opinion that vaccinations cause autism. But because one can still find that 'fact' online, the rate of infant vaccinations continues to drop as wave after wave of new parents assume that vaccinations do indeed cause autism.

    God knows it's better their kids contract polio, measles, whooping cough, or diptheria, and then pass them along to others because some 10 year old web site claims vaccinations cause autism.

  19. bennysbuddy

    bennysbuddy the sultan of swing

    Clearly there something wrong with me ,I think that discovering new water and good fishing is part of the adventure.I might ask some local cowboy at diner after I buy them a beer where to go or where a descent camping spot is. but usually I stumble along blindly until I strike fishing gold. on ocassion I have had some local landholder invite me to fish their spread after shooting the breeze at some greasy spoon over breakfast. but normally I just poke around on a back road until I find some good luck.
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  20. Mark Kulikov

    Mark Kulikov Active Member

    Seems in this day and age that posting questions on forums such as this is research, is it not?

    Sent from my little square phone thingy...
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