Part two: You have successfully reinvented, or I should say, reverse engineered- scandicasting. I say that with a smile, it's not an attack. You have simply taken the -very- long way around to say what some of us already know. Mark, everyone, have you ever felt the love? that's the rod blank feedback telling you all forces are in balance and you are achieving the directed transmission of energy we are all looking for, in every single cast. I could go back if I knew how multiquoting works and pull every objection I've made out, and they would add up. But you can feel it, when all the forces discussed in this thread and others...are harmoniously propelling a line. The rod, technique and caster conspire to achieve it. We bring it all together to direct the rod tip and therefore direct the line. I didn't understand that in this whole thread you were speaking strictly about Andersson-style underhanding, specifically with underlined rods- with it's abbreviated A>B, or what you have called "relatively fixed pivot point". The premise breaks down badly when applied to a skagit head, because A>B/moving fulcrum is how we achieve relatively straight tip path>>straight line path with a softer rod or a rod that is properly loaded. In the Goran video, he is popping casts out there and he barely accesses the middle of the blank. It's a vid, after all, that's not a heavy criticism. But I think you may have gone astray by drawing conclusions from it. With a heavier head, standing waist deep, Goran will both drift and input a very short A>B stroke. He must. The line demands it. Mid/ Longbellies, wow, I can't even bring that in here. This thread's not even on the same planet as longbelly casting. Yes, it is true that you cannot have SLP, with practically any rod, using a strictly fixed pivot point, due to the proportional relationship of the length of the arc to the radius... there's a proportional relationship between A>B/moving fulcrum/rod length/line length/line weight and characteristics/degree and timing of power application...all these are factored in when deciding how to cast a particular setup and all are relative to the individual caster. And I totally agree that you can't achieve SLP with the Dredger using a fixed pivot point. Of course not, you'd have to shorten the arc so far that there'd be no power. Using rotation only, without a moving fulcrum...well, you'll see that at a beginner's casting class, but only the first one! So, fast rod-short stroke-abbreviated A>B is scandi. OK, I knew that before this thread started. So here's my question: it's not an attack, it's an invitation- Can you reconcile your assertion at the beginning of the thread (straight rod path principle not required), with the latest comment (where achieving SLP seems to be a top priority). What do you say we get to the point. regards, and merry Christmas to you and yours. BTW, a suggestion. Don't ignore this post. Take it head on, bluntly, with a cogent answer that a regular guy can understand. When you do that, you engender respect in your readers, even as you are demonstrating mastery of the concept. Just a helpful hint from a guy who teaches people as part of his job.