in search of a perfect loop

Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by yuhina, Dec 17, 2011.

  1. Greg Holt Active Member

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    The picture (video in this case) is worth 10,000 words. What say we have the admin delete the entire thread, save the first post and this one?

  2. Greg Holt Active Member

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    Bob,
    "bending into the butt on the lift is something I'm going to focus on for a bit."--Don't do it, lift with legs, man, the legs, or you'll hurt your back!



  3. SpeySpaz still an authority on nothing

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    from the NEEZ with EEZ... like on TV! funny-thanks Greg
  4. SpeySpaz still an authority on nothing

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    hey, I vote for saving post #344 too, a kickass vid clip and a link to an awesome UK thread together.
  5. Greg Holt Active Member

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    Yes, indeed. Thoughtless of me to overlook such a fine contribution. That implies there are others, and a list should be posted of the all-star contributions.
    Feel free to submit suggestions, including your own--just avoid attempting to stuff the ballot box...

  6. SpeySpaz still an authority on nothing

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    there's been a lot of fine contributions, but many have been ignored.
    there's been some superawesome casters who haven't gotten involved because they didn't want to dirty themselves, and I respect that. 25 pages, yeesh.

    There's awesome casters who go all day with a minimum of effort, arrive back at the truck feeling really good; those guys have secrets to share about how this thing really goes. We are talking about the mechanics of a sport, and not all of us are lithe young bucks. Making a fishable cast with a minimum of effort is the essence of both fulcrum casting and Al Buhr's methods, not to mention Ed Ward's and basically every other practical casting technique.

    Alexander Grant would be rolling in his grave right now.
  7. yuhina Tropical member

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    Hi Brady,

    After sit down and re-read some of my posts again, I have to agree with you. I have this problem in some of my posts. Whether it is intentional to tease particular personnel or unintentional to make a disrespect post to some. Though, the "gift" post is mainly to use to tease a particular group of people, and it seems it worked. However, internet is a admixture and complex community, it's impossible to target a particular person, or group. The power might "spill over" and affect other unintentional targets. On top of this, people don't usually read from the first paragraph... and usually don't follow "the themes" very well... In addition, people come here also with different kind of "pre" experience and pre "mind set".

    For instance, in my case, I don't like your responses in the previous thread (my light line casting thread) (pre- mindset), and I also don't like your Erroneous Transfer interpretation (knowing the fact that you have less input in this thread), so it all "adds up" and made me post this teasing response to act like you are my student. I am sure you know where is my negative energy came from. and I am sure I have some other posts in the past also "adds up" to make you say all of this.

    As an attitude about "posting a question/ a puzzle and seek for reasoning and for discussion" from the public, the intensions has two folds, 1) to lead the discussion back to the focus, 2) to enhance the "process" of group thinking. I admit, my wordings were not appropriate sometime, as Steve point out my communication ability is limited. I still will have to improve that in the future.

    And talk about Bruce K. He is a good friend of mine. (Maybe I should use "was" now.bawling:) He has some "mind-set" issue too... A good caster, and a good guy, see how much good information he decided to put in in the last few posts!:thumb: but "the problem" ( I guess you can call it problem) between the friendship between me and him, is that he seems particularly "interested" in teasing me. "Whatever Yuhina says I got to hit it." There are many things I can point out and show them to the public, but I don't want to, because I know he is just like to tease me. And be honest with you, sometime I quite enjoy his teasing posts...:rolleyes: But again, this is the internet, the vast recipients might not see the contexts and "the whole theme".. so it adds up all the miscommunications. It might start just a fun joke, but then it rolled into a real flame war if I did not keep my alert up (a.k.a my brain snap).

    Regardless all those miscommunication,

    What I try to say here?... I actually really appreciate you point out some of my attitude is inappropriate on the web. I sincerely take that as a good advice and will be more careful next time. Thank You!

    Sincerely,

    Mark
  8. yuhina Tropical member

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    Hi Dan,

    Thanks for the link! It actually reminded me I have to buy Al Buhr's book... always wanted to, and always forgot... order now!
    The fulcrum concept indeed is a crucial element in fly casting. But it is so confusing... below is the link of good example of how confusing it could be. But there is one concept to solve the debating (the concept I also used in this thread), if you have time , you might want to read through it:rolleyes:... (you might want to pay more attention to Mr.g' posts) take care! Mark
    http://www.sexyloops.co.uk/cgi-bin/theboard_07/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=14;t=14013
  9. fisshman26 Member

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    In case you missed this Mark...........






    I also noticed you have your long belly lines for sale in the classifieds, that is too bad as I thought that there might be hope of you learning something. No teasing in this remark but the simple fact that longer lines expose casting faults like no other lines and when learned to use properlly lead to better all around casting skills.
  10. yuhina Tropical member

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    Hey Brother!

    I still have the Carron 10/11 75' and Sage 1016
    the for sale is shorter one!! : )

    take care,

    Mark
  11. fisshman26 Member

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    hmmm it is the 75 9/10 for sale, so not shorter, but Lighter you are selling.......maybe you are learning something.
  12. yuhina Tropical member

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    Yes! Bruce!

    Always learning! :thumb: maybe not from you

    because you are always too far to reach... :clown:

    Mark
  13. fisshman26 Member

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    WOW Mark you are on fire cuz you are right again!
  14. Panhandle Active Member

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    Mark, stop while you're way behind. You can't save face anymore. You have gone beyond foolishness into the realm of circus spectacle. Any respect waning in page 1 has know turned into embarrassing contempt. Here's an analogy for ya: you are a novice cart racer trying to instruct Indi car racers on how to drive. These modest formula 1 pros humor you by trying to offer advice to this young racing tike. His arrogance only makes him drive faster until he crashes into the wall. The pros shake their head and smile in unfortunate disbelief. The young man learns nothing. He jumps into another go-cart and resumes his foolishness.

    Please don't PM me, I have nothing further to discuss with you. Peace
  15. Brady Burmeister Active Member

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    Mark, I'm glad you were able to stand back and see how many of your responses were interpreted by others,....which in turn probably helped form the negative responses that came back at you. My input in this thread waned because early on we had a fundamental disagreement about what each of us were seeing in the same video, Ed's forward cast - which you continue to see as rotational to the point of power being applied as the tip travels down, whereas I see follow through and deflection (no power being applied). Then you would say watch again closer, so....I didn't feel we could make any headway. Also, I figured the likes of Bruce, Aaron, Speyforsteel(Greg),..guys with real experience and credentials, are much better equipped to debate the finer points with you than I. Credentials don't mean everything,.....but they mean a hell of a lot.
  16. Dan Page Active Member

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    Mark,
    I wanted to make certain points regarding my link and video of post #344, but my time has been limited. It's major work to keep current on this thread.
    I'm going to bow out gracefully and leave the duscussion to those with more time and expertise than me.
    Regards,
    Dan