Into the Alpine Lakes Wilderness

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  1. dflett68

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    the more i look, the more cutt-like the mouth seems on this fish. doesn't mean it's not a hybrid, but between the sparse spotting and the mouth it's got to have some westy genes, i would think.
     
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    What about this one?
     
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    This is a golden I think
     
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    I caught fish like this down in kern just like that one
     
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    I like that dark one you got don't you love wild trout doesn't get any better
     
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    that's fabulous. not sure what it is. lots of these look like fish you might find further south. what state did you catch them in?
     
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    Looks like a westslope cutty. Of course knowing where it was from would shed some light on what it truely is. Most definitely not a pure golden. I've seen many, many cases where colorful westslopes and even redbands have been mistaken for goldens. It's fairly rare in the Cascades to find goldens mixed in with other species...and I don't know of any populations in creeks.

    There's a very wide range of spotting and coloration across the geographic range of the subspecies and probably more so in the life history strategy range of the subspecies, I.e., little isolated sub-populations in small creeks will vary greatly from larger river or lake populations...in fact they'll look like totally different species. There's also a ton of genetic 'pollution' from introduced rainbows and other cutthroat subspecies that have bee stocked over native Westy's populations over the last century. This certainly clouds identification.
     
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    i was wondering about the creek question too as i was looking at the photos - not because i know anything, but because i just couldn't conjure up any prior memories of reports or photos of goldens from anything but lakes - except i feel like maybe i have a vague memory of reading something years ago about goldens in the kern system. that's why i wondered if these fish were caught in cali or some other state to the south.
     
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    Got him in a lake outlet high up in the mountains on the east side. It's a golden I think this guy said he takes fingerlings up there.
     
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    from the outlet? background looks like a stream.
     
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    That's what a outlet is its between to small lakes.
     
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    The bigger one is from a different place
     
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    looks like a hybrid to me. It's dorsal fin doesnt have any white on it. i was at a high lake the other day and caught several white finned cuttys. none the less they are beautiful fish
     
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    I think this is a coastal cutt from a tannic stained stream. I have one such stream in my annual routine and the fish look just like that. The upper jaw extending past the eye plus spotting over most of the body are the clues. That pink/brown rainbow-ish stripe is also common on coastal cutts.
     
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    thats intersting input lugan. the fish immediately upstream and down from this one were identical except for not looking like they spent the day in a smoker. this one came from under a log jam, but here it is in collage of fish which all came from within a 100 yards of each other:

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    Those all look like coastal cutts from tannic stained water to me. On the other hand, when coastal cutts and rainbows hybridize, it gets really tricky, and there could be some rainbow in those fish. My strictly amateur eye makes me think the fish in your lower-right photo might have some rainbow genes. I could easily be over-ruled by one of our resident fish biologists though.
     
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    The more I look at this thread, the more I want to start planning a trip for next summer. I'm gonna talk to my buddies tonight about this.
     
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    i'd love others to chime in as well. the fish in the upper left and lower right are the same fish. i have assumed they were bows and i am still inclined to think so. i posted a couple of these on another thread that preston chimed in on and so far no one has suggested cutts but you, but that wasn't really the question on that particular thread. i could easily imagine them as cutt-bows if an expert suggested it, but i still think the overall feel of the body, mouth, and coloration is that of a rainbow. these fish are small but out of this world beautiful and i haven't personally seen others like them in any washington stream but the one i caught them in. might have to head back out there again tonight!

    btw, lugan, while we're at it - this fish also came from the same stream but was much larger. seems like a bow to me also, what's your impression?

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    I'll take you to my stream if you take me to yours
     
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    that's a deal man! pm me.
     
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