Japanese Fishy ID

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  1. mr trout

    mr trout Trevor Hutton

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    OK...so what sort of fish is this? I havent done too much looking into it, mainly because I am lazy. It was caught in Japan by some friends, who sent the picture to America for us to see. I believe it is an "Amago" (Oncorhynchus masou ishikawae) or perhaps "Yamato Iwana" (S. leucomaenis f. japonicus)


    Any other opinions?


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    looks like unagi
     
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    mr trout Trevor Hutton

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    Isnt that freshwater Eel??? Methinks so. at least it is at all the sushi joints I frequent...
     
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    Damn, would you guys quit talking about unagi! My mouth is starting to water!!!

    Cool looking fish whatever it is.
     
  6. mr trout

    mr trout Trevor Hutton

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    I just did a little more sluething, and based on where it was caught (I assume) it is most likely one of the Amago trout. I believe it was caught near Shinshiro Japan...
     
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    A dead one??
     
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    :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
     
  9. Kyle Smith

    Kyle Smith DBA BozoKlown406

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    Man, I love those wacky Eurasian trout species/subspecies/relatives: The lenoks, the yamame, the huchen, marble trout, taimen, arctic char, amagos. Crazy!
     
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    you know.. that's a really cool picture.. look at the clarity.. the focus is so sharp..What kind of camera was used?

    That fish looks... different.. are those scars on it? I'd say it's beautiful but he's holding kinda.. awkward and I'm so distracted by the awesome clarity of the photo LOL

    Coolkyle those fish a beautiful.. man I love looking at fish...
     
  11. Paul Huffman

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    Maybe a Miyabeiwana, Salvelinus malma miyabei, from Lake Shikaribetsu, Hokkaido.
     
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    sakuramasu New Member

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    You got it... it's an amago.

    Iwana are char (thus light spots on dark background), whereas amago and yamame are trout (dark spots on light background).

    I spent a fair amount of time fishing in Japan when I was over there teaching English and have to say that those Japanese trout and char are some of the most beautiful anywhere. Unfortunately, that picture doesn't really do them justice.
     
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    mr trout Trevor Hutton

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    I noticed that after I wrote that. That is a great way of telling apart the chars from trout.

    In regards to the camera, I have no idea, but I imagine it was one of those crazy small supermegapixel cameras from japan...who knows...
     
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    They all look pretty excited I wonder if that was the only fish caught all day, if so bummer but a cool looking fish anyway:thumb:
     
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    They're not scars, that's just the washed out color splotches you see when a dead fish lays on its side for awhile.
     
  16. Gabriel Burgi

    Gabriel Burgi doesn't live in WA anymore :(

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    It looks like the guy with the fish and the kid on the left are wearing wetsuits...

    Reminds me of the old guy in Fly Fishing the 41st by Prosek.
     
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    that is a freshwater resident cherry salmon for sure. they have similar life histories to steelhead and are the most primitive form (on the evolutionary tree) of pacific salmon.

    the fish is in full spawning mode, probably a small resident male. small resident male cherry can breed with either resident cherrys or larger anadromous cherrys, just as rainbow trout mate with steelhead and sea run cutthroat with resident cutthroat, not to mention all the other species that exhibit similar behaviors.

    those might actually be scars from fighting as opposed to marks from the fish lying on the rocks. the fish looks a little to freshly killed to have those marks from lying on the rocks. i imagine it was fighting with resident and andromous cherrys, for the female he loved so dearly.

    cool stuff.
     
  18. mr trout

    mr trout Trevor Hutton

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    Not trying to shoot down your answer, but Im not so sure. Cherry salmon, O. masou (masu, or seema) tend to have large oval marks on the sides, which turn a vivid red color during the spawning time (hence the name) and black spots on the back above the lateral line, unlike the light back and red spots we see on this, which I still maintain is an amago. Check out Thomas Quinns book "the behavoir and ecology of Pacific Salmon and Trout." Page 18-19 have good pictures of Masu Salmon, which clearly are much different than the fish in the above picture. However, both these fish are very closely related. Quinn's book lists the Amago as O. rhodurus instead. It also mentions that there is some incongruency between scientists classifications of the Masu and Amago. Then again, we could be seeing some sort of hybrid...Maybe I will ask one of my Profs here at UW to shed some light on the subject...
     
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    mr trout Trevor Hutton

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    fair enough!:thumb: :beer2:

    I suppose I could try to find out where it was caught too. That may be of some assistance.