Just One Steelhead River

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by martyg, Dec 3, 2006.

  1. Sourdoughs

    Sourdoughs -Marc Chapman, icthyoantagonist

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  2. Rick Baerg

    Rick Baerg addicted

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    Great thread! :thumb:
     
  3. JS

    JS Active Member

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    Comedy, pure comedy!:rofl: :rofl:
     
  4. Sloan Craven

    Sloan Craven Active Member

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  5. Salmo_g

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    Is that c0de?
     
  6. Luv2flyfish

    Luv2flyfish Another Flyfisherman

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    Lots of Binary on here.....what about the HEX?!
     
  7. Backyard

    Backyard SANCHO!

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  8. otter

    otter Banned or Parked

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    I think we have just reached a new high in communicating "secret" fishing information on the internet. Binary code. Of course, in the form in which it has been presented, it is significantly out of date. However, due to the advances in computer technology, it is entirely possible for this entire website to go to encrypted messages due to the simultaneous needs of privacy and PM's; the Department of Homeland Security, and this site's Moderator of Fishing Security will decide!

    As for sharing fishing wisdom, a tradition which has existed for thousands of years, apparently the prevailing trend is to screw the other guy or girl and get yours first at all costs.

    Radical idea. Teach an interested friend, or young person how to fish, and where to fish. The where to fish part is interesting. This will clue your people in to the environmental "chain of custody". Whether we like it or not, we - all of us - bear ultimate responsibility for the destruction or the health of planet Earth. We need as many "river speakers" as we can get. The only way you're gonna get rid of the present f-ck you greedhead fishing culture is to replace it with a better one. Which is a long hard road indeed.

    Ultimate point? Secrecy about good fishing is all about "me first" and directly against shared stewardship of the resource. I'll be the first to admit that what I want is a river to myself, and fish aplenty. But this dodges the hard question of how we can stop beating the rivers to death.

    The me first, get there before the other guy, limit out first attitude has defined the structure of our fish and game laws, and the way we fish, to an amazing extent. We need to change that. Gearchuckers and flyfishers alike need to put stewardship first and limits second.

    So I argue for transparent communication, not secrecy.

    So yeah, its counterintuitive to spread the word about a beat to shit fishery as long as you want to be first in line. As long as you are locked into getting yours first.

    But what about the plain and simple idea of sharing. And respect. For the environment, and other fishers.

    The prevailing fisheries management gummint thinking is not getting us anywhere. So it has to start with us.

    I realize I'm pissing in upwind here. But what the hell.


    As the old saying goes,

    "Gentlemen (and gentlewomen- my addition) we either hang together or we hang alone."

    The rivers depend on this.

    otter
     
  9. g_smolt

    g_smolt Recreational User

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    Buzzkill.

    Besides, what's all this then?

    So much for shared resource.

    I stick by the (sarcastic) intent of my first post - it ain't rocket science. If you enjoy it, you will do it, and if you do it, eventually you will find your "desert island" steelhead stream, most likely in (or within __ hours of!) your own back yard.

    IMHO, and YMMV,
    Mark
     
  10. TomB

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    "The only way you're gonna get rid of the present f-ck you greedhead fishing culture is to replace it with a better one. Which is a long hard road indeed."

    I look at it differently. The only way we are going to get out of this instant gratification fishing culture in which success is defined by numbers and goes to the person willing to fork over the most dough, is by helping newb's to help themselves. Dont give them cheep shortcuts. Instead help them aquire the skills they need to enjoy fishing on their own.

    -T
     
  11. Tim Lockhart

    Tim Lockhart Member, KISS ARMY Since 1978

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    Sloan you're right. That's my favorite place too. I've never been skunked on steelies there......But seriously, did you have to mention all the naked girls??....Now everyone is gonna show up!
     
  12. James Mello

    James Mello Inventor of the "closed eye conjecture"

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    Only in the mind of yard ;)

    BTW, hex is just more compact, so us more sophisticated monkeys can read shizzle faster....
     
  13. Mike Danahy

    Mike Danahy @#)$%# river otters!

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    iagree If ya put in your time, the rewards are infinitely greater, and numbers will mean much less than just being there. Hell, it took me two years to catch my first steelhead, and I can truly say that a bad day on the river is better than a great day anywhere else.
     
  14. Citori

    Citori Piscatorial Engineer

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  15. martyg

    martyg Active Member

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    OK - since I started all of this, I thought that I would share my favorite steelhead / salmon river...

    Directions:
    - Commercial flight to Puerto Monte, Chile.
    - Puddle jumper to Chaiten.
    - Drive east for 3 hours over dirt road / track to the East end of Lago Yelcho.

    Fish the mouth of the Futa and pay special attention to the river that enters on river L. Hike up it for one day, camp and start to fish your way down. Use big cone headed Wooly Buggers and Little Rainbow Trout streamers tied with weight with a short strip.

    Seriously though, if anyone wants to PM me about some small OP rivers that fish well after an hour hike up I would be all ears.

    Also note my posts in the Salt section. We don't have to share info, but I choose to do so in a spirit of cooperation. leaving details sufficiently vague.
     
  16. HauntedByWaters

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    BIG SECRET REAVEALED:

    I don't tell most people this but; my favorite steelhead river is the Skagit in spring C&R season.......SSSHHHHHHHH.....don't let anyone know........BIG SECRET!
     
  17. James Mello

    James Mello Inventor of the "closed eye conjecture"

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    So who's to say that we aren't helping the new guy? I gave some useful info, and frankly some of the other answers came back telling him to focus on the journey, not the fish.

    Also, the question was a *very* vague one, and the answers were equally vague. I think the whole thing was poorly framed to begin with. For instance, what is more likely to get a good response?

    "What's a good river in 3 hours from Seattle"

    or

    "I'm new and don't really fish the rivers too much. Does anyone have the time to meet up on the Snoqualmie and show me some of the ropes?"

    I think that learning to frame the question to the intended audience is far more beneficial than just asking a blanket question.

    Also, one of the folks on the site Matt Burke as more than generously donated his time to get newbs on the rivers. Spending a bit of time to RTM usually reduces the amount of public ridcule you end up bearing.

    For what it's worth, I'm probably one of the biggest mooches on the site for fishing info. I just choose to try to talk to folks via PM or with more targeted questions. Sometimes I get a ration of shit, other times, I get really good help and meet some damn cool people.....

    -- Cheers
    -- James
     
  18. dude_1967

    dude_1967 Chris

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    "Because hex doesn't look like the mutha f$$kin matrix!"

    The binary was below the belt...
    Even the hex was too low-level for me.

    Chris
     
  19. Zen Piscator

    Zen Piscator Supporting wild steelhead, gravel to gravel.

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  20. Ian Broadie

    Ian Broadie Flyfishing is so "Metal"

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