kinda haunting...

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by the_trout_bum, Aug 15, 2008.

  1. Wow it must be nice to not have any fears.

    Good thing you don't have a fear of say a car accident? Or a home invasion, cause then you wouldn't be able to live..

    It's natural to have a fear in the woods, we're at our most vulnerable, humans are not superior in anything but intellect, if you want to pack for the slight chance that felix could rip your face off. Do it, I might just feel safer when I meet you on the banks.

    As far as a long gun, with a cougar, I don't see it helping, unless the cat bites the barrel and saves your neck.

    I carry my 7" hunting knife when fishing, makes me feel more comfortable, statistically it probably won't happen but, i've already got into a car accident and was fortunate to walk away, I don't need a 150 lb cat to take mine from me.

    Knife and mace, would be the best bet I think. Until you get to be 21 then a nice .380 or higher would be useful.
     
  2. It was a number a years ago, but a buddy of mine and I were hiking up the middle fork of the snoqualmie with his dog and we heard a scream. We thought it was a woman, however there were no other cars parked down where the road was snowed in. Never hearing a cougar before, we did not know what the sound was so we looked around and found nothing so kept on hiking. On our return down the trail we saw the big kitty. It stood on the trail in front of us at about 20 yards looking only at the dog. We almost crapped. Not carrying my pistol, like I normally do on backwoods hikes, this time we were in the snow and I took my extendable ski pole and extended it out as far as I could and removed the bail on the end. The cat twitched and slowly walked down the trail around the corner and out of sight. Unfortunately, it was the way we needed to go. We never saw it again, but it was the most sobering experience I have ever had. From then on, I have always packed. No sense ruining a good fishing trip by not packing and not coming home.:)
     
  3. My thought is that cats attack by surprise, so you'll get jumped from behind or possibly the side leaving you with very little time, if any, to react and pull your firearm out.

    I'd also think that dragging a rifle or shotgun around whilst fishing would be bloody annoying, I can barely be bothered to carry more than rod, tippet, and one sparse fly box these days.
     
  4. If you are scared of the woods, stay out of them..
     
  5. Respectfully, there's a huge difference in probability between getting in a car accident and a mountain lion attack.

    http://tchester.org/sgm/lists/lion_attack_odds.html
     
  6. As I read your attached article it only referred to humans killed by mountain lions, not attacks or close encounters.

    The Seattle PI just ran an article about a grow operation in the North Cascades that was busted, they found $48 million worth of dope. Unfortunately the quiet forest as depicted by Disney doesn't exist anymore.
     
  7. nice set up. wonder if I could convert my Remington 870 synthetic stock to your set up?
     
  8. This thread is serious but funny. From what I could find on the internet here has been less than 100 FATAL cougar attacks in the history of the United States and Canada combined. I could not find a page that would give me a number more than 30 so I rounded up for fun.
    Now just in 2005, in the US alone, 42,636 people were killed in car accidents. Now what are we worried about again? Cougars are the last thing we should be worried about. Most of the attacks were on people either riding bikes or running/jogging. As long as you don't give them a reason to chase you you're fine. Or if you're one of the lucky few who gets taken by a cougar, I'd consider it an honorable death. ;) Seriously though, I'd personally be much more concerned about getting to your trail head or river alive.
     
  9. iagree It is wholly unlikely that you will be attacked by a big cat. Just be aware of the danger and don't worry too much about it.
    -Ethan
     
  10. Peter, search for the stock on gunbroker.com or ebay I bet you could find it there.
     
  11. Jeremy.... Seriously?... He asked a ? and most responded with a reasonable answer. I don't think he is going to avoid the woods from now on. How about a reasonable answer or read and move on. Seems a knife is the most advantagous if attacked. That would be my advice. I hate the idea of sacrificing my dog, but you're right, it would be a good trade off. Stay safe.
     
  12. I've got a .17 hmr. Saweeet little gun. But not for protection from anything bigger than killer woodchucks. (they can be absolutely vicious) I think a rifle or shotgun of any kind would be extremely heavy to carry, along with completely useless if an animal was attacking you on short notice. I haven't been attacked by any big predators (unless you count that dungee that came after my boot this morning), but from what I here, they don't call to set up appointments. So while a long gun may work for protection when you're walking along on full alert with the gun at the ready, that seems very inconvenient. Find a legal way to get some sort of handgun to carry (I have no idea what regs there are about a parent buying one for you or something like that); or get a good knife or bear spray. A long gun of any kind simply isn't practical enough.
     
  13. After reading through this thread I believe that two people mentioned the only real solution for The Trout Bum based on his situation, "Get a dog". By his avatar it looks like he already has a perfect dog for the situation, a black lab. They're loyal, reasonably smart, and often aren't afraid to mix it up for thier owner's well being. Besides, there's nothing better than heading out somewhere with your dog in the cab of your truck. Man I miss having a dog. I miss having a truck too....
     
  14. During the brouhaha a few years back about re-introducing grizzly bears into the North Cascades an article appeared in the Sunday supplement of one of the local papers pointing out that grizzlies had only killed 17 people in the lower 48 since 1900. To put it in perspective, the author noted that, in one previous year, more people than that had been killed when soft drink machines had tipped over and fallen on top of them. Of course, he did feel obliged to add the caveat "a Coke machine will not rip your tent open and drag you out screaming."
     
  15. Don't disagree with the fact that it's never been a quiet forest. If you bring up deaths from dope growers or meth heads, whatever may be the case, statistically, the odds still very low, not much different from death from bear attacks. So the precaution you take by wearing a seat belt is far, far more effective than the precaution of taking a gun into the woods. Obviously emotion is a bigger factor in personal decision making (take how casinos have emerged all over this area or how many people continue to buy lottery tickets) than one's awareness of relative probabilities.
     
  16. I understand your point, however looking only at the odds or probabilty factor doesn't always give the clearest picture. For example, overall numbers for brown bear attacks may be relatively low, but they've had several attacks in the last few weeks in the Anchorage area. Those overall numbers mean very little if you live in Anchorage.

    Once again it comes back to the amount of risk an individual is willing to accept in any given past time or decision.
     
  17. I agree, certainly the probabilities are specific to a particular area so it would be much more sensible to bring protection to those areas.
     
  18. Don't bother carrying around a gun. Strap a fixed blade on your belt or pack where its easily accessed, thats what I do. Not for cougar protection, though as stated that would probably be the fasted weapon to use. I've never used my knife for defense and probably never will and thats not why I bring it. Knives are just damn useful. I've never gone fishing and though to myself, "damn, I wish I had left my knife at home."
     
  19. After 20+ years with a lot of time in the high country I have had only two 'close encounters' (which I consider being scared) with bear and saw a cat once...again scared (sh*tless actually). I only have this to contribute to this discussion.

    1. paranoid people in the woods with guns (... who are not permit hunting), especially packing semi-automatic guns- scare me far more than any predatory animal.
    2. if a cat wants you there isn't a damn thing you're going to be able to do about it- the things are like Ninjas. Honestly you have to know that going in the sticks. You won't 'come up on one' and if it is going to come up on you'll either never know what happened or you're be damn lucky if it leaves you alone
    3. most bear encounters are 'our' fault. we leave too much good smelling stuff around, don't clean up well enough, startle them (wear bells on your boots)- which startles us. It takes a siginifcant amount of firepower to drop an adult bear. I think it is unrealistic to 'prepare' for an attack by carrying a gun that could take one down.

    The only practical method of defense if you even want to call it that, is to carry a well made knife with a 6" or so blade- mostly because it is used for so many other things in the high country, but -and in my wildest dreams truthfully- if you are attached there may be some far reaching possibility that you would have both the sense and ability to fight back with your knife.

    The best thing you can do is to bring a dog.
    And probably the best thing yet is to not worry so much about it as the probability of an attack is so low to begin with- and if it happens...well...
     

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