I just got back from a long drive to koffler boats in Eugene. It was well worth the trip. Joe Koffler is a great guy and has built me A real nice pram I couldn't be more pleased. I bought a 10 foot pram, wich will be just right for my daughter and I. Can't wait to get it on the water. Like I said Joe is A great guy so if you need A pram send some money his way.