Well, I'm the original poster, and I say "POST ON"! No need to apologize! I think every thread worth it's weight, gets "hi-jacked". Lots of good info here. Just for the record, I catch most all of my big fish on bigger flies. However, I have caught some on size 14 or 16, but that's only because I was lucky. I just don't spend that much time on lakes, but this year I'm going to try and dial them in - thus the thread post.