"Legal" rod length?

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  1. pcknshvl

    pcknshvl Member

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    I picked this little nugget up out of the tedious "Steelies on the Yak" thread.... Basically, one poster said that spey rods are illegal on the Yak. I think he's confused or just misinformed.

    I have, upon occasion, used my 12' spey rod to swing sculpin patterns for trout, on the Yak, in the winter. I'm not targeting steelies. (I've actually had better luck with my 5wt single-hander and a sink tip, and I've never had an accidental steelhead catch.) As far as I know, it's perfectly legal to fish for trout this way. There's nothing in the current WDFW pamphlet that I saw regarding rod lengths, or fishing methods with rods (other than the "no snagging" rule).

    If anyone knows anything for certain about this, and can provide the WDFW reference, I'd appreciate it!

    Tom
     
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    pcknshvl Member

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    Okay, I'm something of an idiot....

    Bennysbuddy's statement starts: "Is it not legal to use a spey rod on the yak?", not "It is not legal to use...."

    Sorry, everyone, and Bennysbuddy.

    I like swinging streamers on the Yak, and my 12' rod makes it more efficient to do so.

    Tom
     
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    I find that you need a longer rod for cougars. Can't find anything about it in the regs.
     
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    At least a stiffer, faster action rod! Rick
     
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    Yakima Cougars like a longer, stiffer and faster action rod? I'm so confused.
     
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    Ask the "authority having jurisdiction", meanig I think whoever patrols that area may answer that question better. When I had a similar question on a different river, I called Olympia and that was the answer I got. So I did, and I got my question answered.

    Took me a little time and effort, but better to find out now...than pay a hefty fine later. Personally I think you're ok. But if it is that important to you, get the answer from the "horse's mouth". It saved my butt.
     
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    All of you old farts are dreaming about cougars, the only cougars you are eligible for are in their 80's.
     
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    Well...actually there are a lot in there 40's in bothell.
     
  9. Mike Lee

    Mike Lee It's all about the sauce.....

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    WOW! There's Cougar fishing in the Yak? That's amazing! Does one need to be able to swing with their long rod to be able to land one of these? Sounds like they live a long time too. I wonder how many beers it would take to have this mentality.......


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    It's true, I checked it out with fish and wildlife, same for the Hoh this winter. Rods over 10 ft will be illegal.
     
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    bennysbuddy the sultan of swing

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    I heard anybody over 50 is grandfathered in otherwise you can write to the df&w for a exception to the new rule for special cases.
     
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    Oops, not everything I said in my last post was entirely accurate. The parts concerning the Hoh river, fly rod length and legality might have been somewhat incorrect. The rest is spot on.
     
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    While a flyrod might work under these conditions, one might favor a trolling rod. Of course, an unanswered question is what do you use at the end of the line. Would attractors be effective? If yes, which?

    Steve
     
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    Don't you want to land a fly cougar instead of a troll cougar? Attractors? Probably one of those Gwop rolls of ben-jamins with a trojan indicator.
     
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    pcknshvl, let me clarify that it's not illegal to use a spey rod or a 10 ft. side drifting spinning rod, or heck even a 9 ft. baitcaster with a single barbless hook, even in the whitefish season on the YAK (with a size 14 hook or smaller). You're searching for a regulation that doesn't exist, yet. My comment was sharing that I've seen guys targeting steelhead and admitedly sharing with others their successes from multiple outings. It's my opinion that if there are guys that read these posts that do it, don't, and if you incidentally catch one, while fly, spin or baitcast fishing for trout on the YAK release it, asap. Sorry, if my statement seemed confusing or if you felt misinformed.

    My intention for sharing some actual data and information based on work experience was to inform and help in what seemed like a fairly controversal series of postings. This is my quote from that exciting "Steelies on the YAK" thread. Please reread it.

    "Enforcement is aware of anglers targeting steelhead in the Yakima River, so if you see a guy out there with a spey rod or something similar, in the fall, winter or spring, clearly fishing for steelhead, and yes I've seen it too (plus a particular guy was even excitedly talking about the number of steelhead caught) suggest to him or her a different course."

    Please feel free to email me directly, david@dreamflyfishing.com or give me a ring on the phone, if I can help further, 509-965-1675.
     
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    On any catch and release fishery you might want to read the definition in the pamphlet about catch and release. The key word in that area is," immediatly". That word gives enforcement some tools if they choose to use it. Think about that next time you lay a fish out in the shallows to take a pic. This is just a general FYI not directed at any one person.
     
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    Thanks for the responses, everyone. Yakfish, I saw your comments in the dickhead1 thread--they're very good.

    When I swing for trout, I use "food" flies, and will strip and swim them for aggressive trout. I do this with a 12' rod, as well as my 9' rod.

    If enforcement ever has an issue with my methods, I'll show them the Zoo Cougar or Conehead Zuddler I'm using, not an Intruder or Green-Butt Skunk.

    BTW, a stiff, but slower action rod would be more appropriate for cougar fishing. A fast-action rod may leave the cougar dissatisfied.

    Good fishing!

    Tom
     

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