Let's Play WFF Survivor!!

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  1. Willie Bodger

    Willie Bodger Still, nothing clever to say...

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    Or, if you had read all of Chad's message you could use the purifying tablets he always carries with him...

    Now, back to the point of the thread. Chad?
     
  2. chadk

    chadk Be the guide...

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    Thanks :beer2: I was wondering if this part of the quote was invisible to everybody but me: "Also, I have water purifying tablets so I can use river\lake water if needed." :rofl:


    I just got back from the river. Fished from first light to 11. No luck. I bet the afternoon bite will be better... Now I just need 10 more minutes to finish the story...
     
  3. chadk

    chadk Be the guide...

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    Part 4b: The Next Morning

    George quickly spots Fred’s body lying on the snow covered rocks, two feet from the river. He rushes over and quickly checks for a pulse. Fred feels stiff and cold. But there is a heart beat. George carefully moves Fred back to the camp area near the fire pit and uses the wood gathered by Fred to start a fire.

    Several minutes later the fire is burning strong and George has dry clothes on Fred. Fred is inside a sleeping bag lying on a ground pad. George is putting up the tent and pretty freaked out. He has no idea if Fred will survive and he doesn’t know the best way to treat him. As he finishes setting up the tent, he heads over to add more fuel to the fire and move Fred into the tent. As he’s gathering some sticks, he spots Fred’s survival kit contents lying in the snow. He notices a little pamphlet labeled: “Wilderness Survival Guide and Emergency First Aid.” He flips to a section on treating hypothermia.

    After reading through the section, he realizes that Fred is too close to the fire. The victim should be warmed from the INSIDE out as much as possible, and then from the core out – not from the extremities in. The heart is at the verge of cardiac arrest and George will need to act quick, but very carefully. He moves the tent a few more feet from the fire. He makes sure the bottom is covered in a Therma-rest type camp mattress and anything else that will act as an insulating layer under Fred’s sleeping bag.

    George then takes an ace bandage and wraps it around Fred’s mid section - over his jacket. Between wraps Fred inserts the 4 small chemical pocket warmers he brought. Making sure there is plenty of fabric between Fred’s skin and the warmers. He wants to provide warmth, but not too much.

    According to the guide, George will turn Fred every 2 hrs to protect his skin. He will also move the pocket warmers around every hour or so. He will monitor Fred’s breathing and heart rate. If it slows at all, he’ll provide slow mouth to mouth breathing at Fred’s own rate. This will also help provide internal heat to Fred. (of course, if Fred awakes during this, he'll certainly go into immediate cardiac arrest at the sudden thought of 'broke back' camping with George!)

    A few hours later, Fred is conscious. George is very relieved, but knows Fred’s condition is still very fragile. He needs to get to a hospital. Fred is also very happy to see George – especially George AND fire, food, and shelter!

    George gives Fred some hot cocoa and starts making some soup for him as well. He has 2 fires going. Once the first fire has burned down to ashes and coals, Fred fills a 4 foot long trench he’s dug with the coals. He returns the 6 to 8 inches of earth back on top and smoothes it over. Once again, he gently moves Fred and the tent and sets it on top of the buried coals. This will provide several hours of steady, but gentle heat for Fred.

    Sometime shortly after noon, George hears something and perks up. Voices! Someone’s coming down the river. He bolts to the bank and spots a group of 4 kayakers heading around the bend toward him. He starts shouting and waving.

    The 4 kayakers quickly arrive. George tells them all that has happened. They are on a 2 day trip, but they think they can make it back to the take-out by night fall to get help. They leave an extra sleeping bag for George and some extra warm clothes and food.

    24hrs later the 2 men are safely back home. Well, Fred does stay the night in the local ER, but just as a precaution. In a few years, they’ll look back on this little adventure and remember all the lessons learned. And you can bet that list is long….
     
  4. Sourdoughs

    Sourdoughs -Marc Chapman, icthyoantagonist

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    That was a fun thread to follow. Thanks, Chad!
     
  5. chadk

    chadk Be the guide...

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    OK, so that was a little anti-climatic, but I had to wrap this thing up quickly.

    Thanks all for playing along and offering up all those great insights and survival tips.

    Here are some links worth checking out. Please post others that you find that may be relevent.

    http://www.hypothermia.org/fieldchart.htm

    For kids, I thougth this was good:
    http://www.equipped.com/kidprimr.htm

    This one's really good:
    http://www.wilderness-survival-skills.com/

    And here - TONS of good stuff:
    http://www.mountaineers.org/

    From REI - their 10 (plus) essentials overview:
    http://www.rei.com/online/store/Lea...=Camping&url=rei/learn/camp/clessentialsf.jsp

    The 10-Plus Essentials
    Map (in a watertight case)
    Compass (plus an optional GPS receiver)
    Extra clothing (men's, women's, kids')
    Extra food and water
    First-aid kit
    Headlamp or flashlight (with extra batteries)
    Matches (storm proof, or in a watertight container)
    Fire starter
    Knife (or multi-use camp tool)
    Sunglasses
    Sunscreen
    Water filter (or other method of water treatment)
    Whistle
    Food storage device
     
  6. Zen Piscator

    Zen Piscator Supporting wild steelhead, gravel to gravel.

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  7. Zen Piscator

    Zen Piscator Supporting wild steelhead, gravel to gravel.

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    Awww, now I feel warm and fuzzy. Chad thanks for the education, can't wait to try it out.

    Good thread.
     
  8. Chad,
    I can't thank you enough for the entertainment and education that provided. I was stuck at home for most the days of this thread and when I went fishing today I thought about every thing I would normally do and how I would handle if it turned bad. It was good to get my mind going in this direction.
    Thanks
    Twelfth Man. ;)
     
  9. Snake

    Snake tryin' not to get too comfortable

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    Is that a fishing bobber in the water bottle???

    An "emergency" fishing gear stash should be a part of every survival kit, even if you are taking it, ummm, fishing.;)

    Great post, Chad! It made me realize how complacent I've gotten, and I replaced some old stuff in my kit.
     
  10. YAKIMA

    YAKIMA AKA: Gregory Mine

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    No need for a best post of 2007 survey. Engrave the trophy right now..
     
  11. chadk

    chadk Be the guide...

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    Someone else noticed that little bobber as well. My dad made up 3 kits (one for each of my boys) this summer. And yes, the little bobber is part of the kit. I hijacked my youngest's kit, since he won't be using it for another few years.
     
  12. otter

    otter Banned or Parked

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    ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. - A camper who became stranded nearly five weeks ago in a national forest because she could not cross a swollen river was rescued Sunday, more than two weeks after the search for her was called off.

    A New Mexico National Guard crew waded across the icy Gila River to rescue a dehydrated and weak Carolyn Dorn of South Carolina, who entered the Gila National Forest alone on Dec. 6 for a two-week camping trip.

    Two brothers found her Friday evening while hiking, said search and rescue coordinator Frankie Benoist of Silver City.

    "They were walking along the river and heard a call for help," she said. "They would not have seen her if she had not called out. By that time she was very weak. She is extremely lucky."

    Dorn was too weak to cross the river, so the brothers left food, water and wood for a fire and went for help, Benoist said. It took them a day to hike out and contact rescuers, who called in the National Guard.

    "We needed a large helicopter ... one with night vision and a hoist, and we also needed a medic on board because of her condition," Benoist said.

    Dorn was hospitalized in Silver City and should be fine, Benoist said. Her condition was unavailable.

    Dorn, who travels often to Silver City, had planned to camp for two weeks. But five days into her trip, it rained and snowed and the Gila River rose, trapping her, Benoist said.

    "The river got big, as she put it, so she did not want to cross it again," Benoist said. "It had become too dangerous and also she did not want to get her clothes wet and get hypothermic. By the time the river went down, she had run out of food and was starting to get weak."

    Dorn had a tent, a sleeping bag and enough food and water for two weeks. After she became stuck, she drank from the river, kept warm by building fires and "used very little energy," Benoist said.

    Temperatures have dropped into the low teens overnight in recent weeks, according to the National Weather Service.

    Dorn's car was spotted 2 1/2 weeks after she left and reported to authorities. Benoist said her group conducted an intensive search, "but we never considered that she traveled so far" into the forest.

    The search began Dec. 24 and ended Dec. 26. On the third day, after a large group of searchers with all-terrain vehicles, dogs and horses failed to find any clues, the search was called off, Benoist said.

    The National Guard used coordinates provided by the hikers to fly to Dorn's camp 20 miles northeast of Silver City, said Chief Warrant Officer Dave Burrell.

    The crew headed out Saturday night, but bad weather grounded the helicopter for about five hours in Las Cruces, Burrell said. The crew reached the forest about 5:30 a.m. Sunday and used night vision goggles to spot Dorn's camp near the river in a steep ravine, Burrell said.

    He could not land the helicopter on her side of the river, so the crew lowered a medic, Staff Sgt. Greg Holmes, into her camp.

    Burrell then found a place to land across the river.

    Burrell, Holmes, Sgt. Ian Weigner and Maj. John Fishburn carried Dorn across the knee-deep river while a second pilot, Chief Warrant Officer Race Baker, waited. They then flew to Silver City with Dorn, who was dehydrated and hypothermic, Burrell said.



    From the newswires. 'Nuff said...............



    otter
     
  13. chadk

    chadk Be the guide...

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    "she did not want to get her clothes wet and get hypothermic."

    Smart girl. Stay dry and wait it out. She had the basics (food, water, shelter, fire), so risking the river in her case would have been the bad call.
     
  14. chadk

    chadk Be the guide...

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    Good stuff from the Moutaineers site. They have .pdf you can download to get their brochure that covers all of this: (the .pdf is much easier to read)


    Lost?
    If you find that you have lost the trail and are now ‘bushwacking’
    in the brush or you’re on snow in a white-out (low
    visibility due to clouds/blowing snow/fog), avoid the temptation
    to plunge hopefully on. Stop. Take a moment. Look
    around and listen.
    Groups of two or more rarely become dangerously lost provided
    they stay together. Do not send one out in advance
    to scout...instead, assign a rear guard to keep track of
    stragglers.
    If you have become separated from your group, don’t
    panic. Shout (or use a whistle) in all directions and listen for
    answering shouts.
    Look at the map and see if you can approximate your
    position. Look around for landmarks: big peaks, highways,
    creeks or ridges. Orient to directions using your compass
    (or the position of the sun/lightness of the sky if you don’t
    know how to use one). If that doesn’t work, try to think of
    the last time you or your group did know your exact location.
    If that spot is fairly close - within an hour or so - retrace
    your steps and try to get back on route. If the spot is hours
    back, or the terrain makes going back too hard, go forward
    cautiously with an eye for landmarks. Proceed carefully in
    dense undergrowth, snow or whiteout - you don’t want to
    turn an ankle or step over a cliff.
    Make a cairn of stones; weave branches, dig an arrow in
    the snow, or use flagging tape (if you have any). Now scout
    in all directions, returning each time to your marked position.
    Continue to look for signs of the trail or landmarks that
    will help orient you to your position. If you are fairly sure of
    your direction, continue to place markers periodically as you
    head out. This will keep you from circling aimlessly and may
    help others follow your trail.
    Well before dark, prepare for night by finding water, firewood,
    and shelter. Put on your extra clothes and eat something
    -- it’s easier to stay warm if you never get seriously chilled.
    Seek a spot sheltered from wind/water and out of avalanche
    or rockfall danger (not in a steep gully). If in snow, use a tree
    moat for shelter (it’s warm) or hollow yourself a small cave.
    Use dry branches for insulation at lower elevations. Empty
    your pack and put your legs in it. Make a fire to give searchers
    something to see, and try singing to keep your spirits
    up and provide an audio cue. Stay busy; odds are you’ll be
    found in the morning.

    TheMountaineers w w w . m o u n t a i n e e r s . o r g
    The Ten Essentials
    STOP
    STAY TOGETHER
    SHOUT
    GET OUT THE MAP
    MARK YOUR LOCATION
    LOST AFTER DARK
    Resources
    Maps & Hiking Guides


    Leave No Trace
    Today ’s wilderness ethics and the large numbers of
    people frequenting the backcountry require everyone to
    ‘clean it up and pack it out.’ When nature calls select a
    site at least 200 feet from any water source, campsites,
    trails and drainages. Pee on rock or earth, not foliage.
    Bury solid human waste in “cat holes” dug 6 to 8 inches
    deep, in organic soil. Bring your own TP, if you don’t
    like using snow or leaves, and pack it out.
    It is absolutely, completely UNACCEPTABLE to leave
    toilet paper/sanitary/feminine hygiene products behind,
    even buried, as critters will quickly un-bury them. USE
    that zip-lock bag. Toilet paper flags in the mountains are
    inexcusable and repulsive. Ditto any other form of trash.
    Leave-No-Trace Kit
    • Toilet Paper and Plastic Bag
    • Light Weight Hand Trowel
    • Small Bottle of Hand Sanitizer
    Maps let you check out the topography or
    “lay of the land” for where you’re going. In
    the Northwest, you have three good options:
    USGS (put out by the government),
    Green Trails, and Custom Correct. The
    latter two also clearly mark the trails and
    are usually more up-to-date.
    There are also many excellent guidebooks on the
    Cascades and Olympics (and areas further afield).
    Worthwhile for every hiker, they are more descriptive
    about routes and conditions than maps alone.
    Northwest Weather
    NOAA www.wrh.noaa.gov/sew/
    University of Washington www.atmos.washington.edu/
    Northwest Weather & Avalanche Center www.nwac.noaa.gov/
    USGS Water Resources wa.water.usgs.gov/
    www.mountaineersbooks.org
    Many of the books and maps you’ll need can be found
    at The Mountaineers Bookstore, 300 Third Ave West,
    Seattle. Visit us on the web at mountaineers.org or
    contact us at 206-284-6310 or bookstore@mountaine
    ers.org
    Or visit Mountaineers Books on the web at:
    The Mountaineers hike year-round in Western
    Washington’s wilderness areas and parks, with
    summer backpacks offering more extended
    trips. The club has branches in Bellingham,
    Everett, Kitsap, Olympia, Seattle, Snoqualmie
    Foothills, and Tacoma, and each organizes
    hikes in areas far and near. Members are free to
    participate in hikes at any branch, and most trip
    go regardless of weather. In the winter, we tend
    to visit lowland areas that are snow-free (except
    on our snowshoe trips!). Hikes are almost always
    free, and are led by volunteers with years
    of outdoor experience.
    All upcoming hikes are listed online and in our
    monthly bulletin, the Go Guide. These listings
    will provide you with all the information you will
    need, such as distance roundtrip, elevation gain
    and our scale of difficulty that ranges from easy
    to very strenuous. You can choose whichever
    level of activity you prefer. For the absolute
    beginner, most branches offer both beginning
    hiking and/or backpacking seminars and easy
    newcomer hikes. Kids 14 and up are welcome
    on any hike; younger children can usually go as
    well when accompanied by a parent, but please consult
    the hike leader before registering for an outing.
    You can also sample Mountaineers hikes without joining.
    By filling out a Guest Membership Application, you
    can sign up for two hikes or backpacks without any
    obligation.
    To join, obtain a guest application or for more information,
    visit us on the web at:
    Hiking
    Basics
    Hike with The Mountaineers!
    www.mountaineers.org
    206-284-8484
    800-573-8484




    PLANNING
    Look at the route description in a guide
    book before setting out. Note hiking
    time, route conditions (rocky, exposed,
    dry, wet). Pack food, clothing, water &
    gear accordingly. Before setting out, get
    a weather forecast, read a guidebook,
    look at a map, and visit the nearest
    ranger station or visitor center.
    LEAVE THE TRIP SCHEDULE...
    with at least one responsible person.
    Give the name of the trail or a route
    description, names of people in your
    party, and expected time of return.
    (Remember to call this person when you
    get back!)
    THE HIKING PARTY
    The rule of thumb for newcomers is
    “don’t hike alone.” A group of three is
    usually minimum for backcountry trails.
    However, once they have experience,
    many people do like to hike alone. If you choose
    to hike solo, the need for training and equipment
    becomes more important.
    STAY WITH YOUR GROUP
    When hiking with a group, do not gallop ahead or
    wander off by yourself at rest stops ... the others will
    be peeved if they have to search for you, and there
    is an increasing possibility that others will really
    become lost.
    DRESS APPROPRIATELY
    Even on the warmest summer day, it is NOT a good
    idea to take just cotton shorts and t-shirt. Synthetic
    clothing is recommended because it wicks perspiration
    and dries faster if wet by rain. The Mountaineers
    recommends lug-soled hiking boots for all hike
    participants because they provide lots of support,
    traction and protection.
    FITNESS
    To ensure a fun trip, and out of consideration for others
    in your party, select trips of a distance and grade
    that are suitable to your current level of conditioning.
    GET TRAINING
    Do you really know how to use a map and compass?
    Can you interpret changing weather, splint a broken
    ankle, and build a fire from wet wood? If not, get
    some training. Classes In Navigation, Wilderness
    Travel and First Aid are available through The Mountaineers
    at reasonable cost. All are welcome.


    The Ten Essentials
    hiking safety
    A systems approach
    1. Navigation
    It’s a good idea to carry a map and compass - and know how
    to use them. USGS, Custom Correct and Green Trails© all
    provide useful topographic information, and the latter two show
    relatively up-to-date trail info. Even if you don’t plan on leaving
    the trail, being prepared is essential.
    2. Sun Protection
    Sunglasses, sunscreen and hats are smart items to carry
    year-round. While the benefits are obvious on a sunny summer
    day, these items are useful against glare and sunburn while
    traveling on snow or under cloudy skies which UV rays may still
    penetrate.
    3. Insulation
    Pack extra clothing, in anticipation of the worst possible conditions
    you could encounter on your trip. Weather can change
    on short notice, and it’s not uncommon for temperature (and
    precipitation) to vary significantly between the trailhead and
    higher elevations. If done smartly, these items won’t add much
    too much weight to your pack.
    Items you should carry (avoid cotton!):
    • fleece or wool sweater
    • water resistant shell (such as nylon or gore-tex)
    • extra hat (wool or fleece)
    • mittens or gloves
    • extra socks (synthetic or wool)
    4. Illumination
    Remember that it usually gets darker in the mountains earlier,
    so having a flashlight or headlamp is handy. Headlamps also
    have the benefit of leaving your hands free. When choosing
    batteries, consider using rechargeable. Make sure the light
    won’t turn on by itself, and is accessible in case you need to
    find it in the dark.
    5. First-aid supplies
    A good first aid kit doesn’t need to be big and bulky, and many
    of the basics are items you probably have around the house.
    Outdoor stores sell a range of kits that vary from a small
    “envelope” type kit to the larger “box” kits. Depending on the
    length of your trip and the size of your pack, you can adjust the
    contents as needed.
    Basic first aid kit items:
    • Band aids - mainly large fabric type; include butterfly
    /finger
    • gauze pads
    • adhesive or athletic tape (to hold gauze in place)
    • small tweezers
    • moleskin (good for blisters)
    • one athletic compression bandage
    • one or more triangle bandage (think arm sling)
    • antibacterial ointment (small tube is plenty)
    • OTC painkiller such as Advil or Tylenol
    • OTC antihistamine such as Benedryl
    • exrta supply (2 dasy) of any prescription medicine
    You don’t need to take full bottles or rolls! Zip-type bags or
    photo canisters work great for small objects.
    Consider taking a first aid course. Workplaces often offer a
    basic first aid course for employees.
    6. Fire
    Temperatures can drop significantly overnight, and having a
    means to start an emergency fire will help ensure you maintain
    warmth if necessary. Waterproof matches, butane lighters
    and firestarters (candle stubs, chemical heat tabs, canned
    heat) should be reliable. If you are headed where there may
    be very little firewood, an ultralight stove is a good source of
    emergency heat.
    7. Repair kit and tools
    Anything to repair the gear and/or equipment you will be carrying.
    There are a number of multi-tools out on the market,
    along with the standard swiss army knife. Other items to consider:
    shoelaces, safety pins, needle and thread, wire, duct
    tape and nylon fabric repair tape.
    8. Nutrition
    Even if only heading out for a day hike, nutrition is an important
    factor in your well-being. In addition to your lunch and
    snacks, pack a few extra compact food items in case your trip
    is unexpectedly extended. Choose no-cook foods: fig bars,
    cheese, nuts, bagels, pop tarts, candy bars, energy bars or
    packets, etc..
    9. Hydration
    Extra water. Many people forget that we all need a plentiful
    supply of water each day, and especially when our body is expending
    extra energy. 1 liter is a minimum quantity for a short
    day hike; 2.5 for an all-day excursion. Take hot weather and
    the strenuousness of your outing into account. More heat or
    effort means more water. And it’s not advisable to rely solely
    on water sources near the trail. If you must use these, be sure
    to pack a reliable water filtration system.
    10. Emergency shelter
    Most day hikers shouldn’t need to carry a tent with them.
    However, it’s a good idea to pack an emergency space blanket.
    Most of these that are commercially available fold down
    to a wallet-size packet. For the budget minded, a jumbo size
    plastic trash bag can also be used to keep out wind and rain.
    The mountains and rivers of the Northwest have
    something to offer just about everyone: enjoyment of
    nature, great exercise, adventure, challenge, inspiration.
    Whether you hike, study flora and fauna, mountain bike,
    backpack, scramble or take up more technical sports
    such as rock climbing or ski mountaineering, there is
    always some risk involved. Anyone heading outside
    should understand the risks and prepare for them. This
    is where the Ten Essential Systems come in handy.
    What are the “Ten Essential Systems?” They are simply
    a collection of items that have proven useful and are
    recommended for every outdoor trip, whether travelling
    on trails or heading into the backcountry wilderness. Experienced
    hikers, climbers and scramblers usually keep
    these items in their packs at all times, and each member
    of the party carries his or her own.
    Some of the items on the list of systems are things you
    will always want to have. Everyone needs water and
    food to keep their body going. Insulation is extremely
    important in the Northwest, where weather can change
    in an instant. Don’t be afraid to take an extra layer of
    clothing.
    Other items you may not always need, but it’s still a
    good idea to bring them along. Navigation tools are
    good for unfamiliar destinations, even if you only plan
    to hike on trails. A flashlight or other illumination might
    come in handy, since it usually gets darker earlier in
    the mountains. And even though it looks cloudy, sun
    protection can help avoid those UV rays that sometimes
    penetrate cloud layers.
    Last, a few items on the list are things that you never
    hope to use, and don’t require too much explanation.
    A first aid kit for cuts, wounds, insect bites. Emergency
    shelter and fire in case of unforseen circumstances.
    A repair kit for that broken strap, torn tent or snapped
    shoelace.
    The basic principles here are just for starters. Ask questions
    and observe more seasoned hikers, read books,
    and most of all, apply common sense. Then pack up
    and get on the trail.
     
  15. Snake

    Snake tryin' not to get too comfortable

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    Good tips, but I disagree with one of the recommendations:

    Lithium batteries hold their charge longer, and better in cold conditions, compared to rechargeable or alkaline batteries. They're superior for survival kits that aren't used very often (10 year shelf life, try that with rechargeables), or gear for freezing conditions (winter fishing/camping, avalanche transceivers, etc.). Plus, they're finally available in AAA (which some of the new micro-headlamps use).

    Just make sure you dispose of them properly, so they don't end up leaking toxic heavy metals in the landfill (like ANY disposable battery). If you are using lots of batteries (daily radio/headlamp/camera use), rechargeables have the environmental advantage, but for shelf-life and dependability, lithiums are the best.
     
  16. Snake

    Snake tryin' not to get too comfortable

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    Dehydration is FAR more dangerous than giardiasis (beaver fever, boy scout trots, etc.).

    In a survival situation, if your pee is getting dark-colored, drink whatever you can! The symptoms of a parasitic water-borne infection won't come on for at least 2-3 days, and can be treated after you get saved.

    2-3 days without water will kill you, or at least lower your chances for survival significantly.
     
  17. chadk

    chadk Be the guide...

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    With everyone getting spring fever - I thought I pull this post back up again.

    Too many people head out and try crossing creeks, wading rivers, etc this time of year and underestimate the cold temperature of the water and the speed\power of the flows. And the nights are still below freezing in many higher elevations (it was less than 28 degrees in Monroe just over a week ago...). A sunny afternoon hike can turn into a cold windy thunderstorm in the blink of an eye - especially this time of the year.

    It won't be long until we start having those first few 80 degree spring days and people will try swimming in the local river and even inner-tubing and stuff (I guess remembering back to last summer in Aug when the water was 65 degrees and the flows were so low and 'safe'). Then the news reports follow...
     
  18. James Mello

    James Mello Inventor of the "closed eye conjecture"

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    Good stuff chad... good stuff.... I gotta agree as the water on the OP was a chilly 42 degrees this wed...
     
  19. Gary Thompson

    Gary Thompson dirty dog

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    Really good stuff in this post. Fred and George were very lucky guys.
    Every year many people go out to enjoy the local waters and lose their lives out of carelessness.
    I'm proud to be a member of this group of people that try to look before they leap.
    Thanks Guys
     
  20. Jon Williams

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    Good one Chad...

    That settles it, I'm buying a float tube instead for my "Lake itch" and wading KNEE DEEP on the streams.

    I appreciate all the info/links, VERY helpful. One can never be too prepared especially around here where the weather can change so fast.

    My two cents...(to everyone), before you get in a survival situation, practice using the stuff in your kit AT HOME, it's got to be second nature before you head out. Just like training for war or anything else, when the fit hits the shan, you need to remain calm and THINK. Your brain is the best survival tool you have.

    Thanks again Chad, you may have helped save someones life with this post, you just never know.

    Jon
     

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