Long and Short of it.

Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by SPEYBUM, Mar 25, 2006.

  1. Gentleman I have a question for what length rod do you prefer.

    I have been watching usage trends and Sales unless my facts are wrong we are buying more short rods.

    Two years ago the average length of a Speyrod sold was 14.25 ft.

    Now it has shrunk down the 13.1 ft.

    What your rod length

    For casting I like a 15fter.
    Loop Yellow 9/10, Meiser MKS 15 10/11, CND Solstice 15’2, SAGE TCR 15 ‘ and a C.F. Berkheimer 1409 stretched to 15 ft.
    These keep me out to trouble.

    For Fishing I to have turned to shorter rods.

    The 13ft Mks 9/10 and Berkheimer 13ft 9/10 would be top rods for Larger Salmon.
    For Steelhead I have been using “ CND Solstice 13f 4, CND Skagit 13’9” and long water casts C.F. Berkheimer 14’1 8 wt, GLX Loomis, 14 8/9 Greased Liner and CND 14’3 7/8

    So what is your poison???????????
    Long or short.
  2. 12-14 footers

    In 6-9 wgts

    No need for anything else IMHO out here in GLs country.


  3. Since I primarily salt water fish using the under hand/over head cast, I prefer the shorter 2 handers. Cast and strip, rather than swing, with shooting heads is the method. Of course I have never properly studied spey casting technique. I find that 10.5' to 12' work best for me.
  4. Darned interesting observation .. one with which I agree. My longest is a 18' B & W .. and it hasn't had a line on it in close to three years. The only time I even use my 15' (a Sage 9 and 10 or Loomis 10) is for tossing full sinking spey lines.

    For casting comfort (and in the expectation of 'smaller fish') 12.5' to 13' 9" is the day to day norm. I'll usually have at least three rods rigged at any given time. One with a full floater, the other two with a heavy and a light sink tip. As i move through a section of water I (usually) will fish the floater first (long leader/weighted flys), then the light tip, then go back through a third time with the heavy tip.

    The dry line will be on a 'shorter rod,' the tips on the longer rods.
  5. I am all over the place with 2 handed rods.
    I have a Sage 6126, Burkiemer 13' 10, St. Croix 13' 7/8, Burkiemer 13'9" 8, Loomis 14' 9, and a cabelas 15' 10.
    I have been using my shorter rods lately with Skagit Speys and liking the results. Although my "go to" rod is my 13'9" Burkhiemer. Its a sweet stick. I have a multi tip Mid Spey and It can cast everything very well.
    I have short heads and shorter rods and longer heads on the longer rods.
  6. Long rods for casting and mending long belly lines. Short rods for 3x Skagit lines & tips, in close, when I can't wade out.
  7. My all time favorite rod is the Sage 8124. That says it all about what length of rod I prefer.
  8. Aaron,

    You already know that I much prefer to fish with rods 15' and over. The only time I use a rod shorter than 15' anymore is when fishing rather small water such as the Samish or Pilchuck Rivers; otherwise, I will have a longer rod in my hands.
  9. Ditto your preferences SB, with the CND Salar 15'6" and Burkie 9149 added for longer belly/dry line work.

    Top two winter/spring/summer rods are the Solstice 13'4" and Skagit
    13'8" with appropriately short Skagit-style heads.

  10. Aaron,
    You know I am mostly a short rod guy. The longest rod I own is a 9143 Burkie, then an 8139 Burkie. Like Kerry S. I think one of the Sage 12' + rods are the ticket for heads and big flies. I have an old 9126-3, handles heavey heads, big flies, and big fish.
    An old Talon 12' 6" and a 11' 6" Forecast are good for smaller rivers, as I don't try to "visit my neighbors side of the river" on most runs.
    I am building up a 13' IM8 proto blank I got from Bob Meizer. Seems fast but only fishing will tell. Almost forgot, like most everyone else, I own a Sage9140and 7136.
  11. I prefer rods in the 12'-16' range.
  12. Aaron,

    Until this weekend I hadn't touched my old Sage 9140 in 7 or 8 years. It's a thunderstick that casts nicely but is overkill for over 90% of the fish that I actually hook. I'm much more partial to 12 and 13' rods in the 7 and 8 wt. line range. They cast well - better than my skill level to say the least - and are a better match to fish in the 5 - 15 pound range.


    Salmo g.
  13. I love my old Sage 14 footer, nine weight, the slower action. I have used it for Salmon, Striped Bass, Bluefish, Steelhead and even some Pike.

    And I also love the CND Skagit Specialist 13'-9", for giving me a little more power where the old Sage rod taper seems to leave off.

    I have a 15 foot ten weight Hardy Elite that I have not matched up to a proper line yet, but I suspect it will be a bit slower and heavier than anything else I have.

    I tried the twelve foot Sage rods, or roughly twelve foot, in six weight, and I loved that one too.

    Of all of them I have to say that the CND Skagit Specialist is a sweet casting rod.

    But compared to some of you guys, I'm still just getting into it.
  14. 7136, 9140 sage. not a lot of variety.
  15. last two i added to arsenal are 12'3" sage (8123) and an 11'6" burkie. they are less tiring to me and don't work my back into knots like my longer rods. perhaps i loose a bit of distance, but i am not a spey caster, i am a spey fisherman :D
  16. I've got an old Sage 8150 that I love. Not too fast, not too slow.

    Now I'm thinking of a 6/7 weight 13' but not sure which one to add to my arsenal.
  17. I don't like really light spey rods. Unless, I'm targeting SRC's in rivers, I like a 14 or a 15 footer. For SRC's I like a 13 footer. Guess we just like what we like, that makes us enjoy this stuff so much.
    I do think the day will come when some of us will be using a two handed 9 foot spey rod, and wondering why bother.

  18. For the rivers I fish, I prefer the 14-15 foot rod lengths. The lightest rod I own is a sage 7141 and the heaviest/longest is a Sage 9150. As others have mentioned, the 9140 is a sweet rod but I prefer the faster 9141 when I'm throwing tips and/or winter fishing with shorter distances. The Sage 8136 is also a sweetheart rod for sure. The "new" Greased Line rods by Loomis are primo, I'll probably pick up their 7#, 15 foot rod one day.
  19. Here on large rivers in Scotland I prefer 15' - 15 1/2'. Line control and long heads are a "must" on these rivers. The problem is when you fish without a gillie to land your fish and beaching is not possible! All long rods in such final moments are at much greater risk of breakage than short rods.
    For most of my fishing I us a Norwich 15' 11 line and, now, a CND Salar 15 1/2'. For slightly lighter line work a Winston DBF 8/9 (I look forward to getting a 15'2" Solstice) I used to use nothing but Sharpes spliced bamboo rods ( from 12' through to15' - brilliant rods in a gale and much quicker at taming fish than any carbon, though my CND Salar is brilliant at both.
    On smaller rivers I still prefer a long rod/head combo. as the rivers I fish are often EXTREMELY windy - they keep the fly further away from heads, shoulders, hands etc.. But my favourite short rod is an old Burkheimer 9143.....unfortunatly a friend fell out of a helicopter in Russia and broke its tip!! Same guy also broke my Burkheimer 7123 in a very large Litza fish.
    Any one got a 9143 tip for sale? What is left of the 7123 (mid piece) is free but you have to pay shipping!!
  20. " .........unfortunatly a friend fell out of a helicopter in Russia and broke its tip!! Same guy also broke my Burkheimer 7123... "

    Same guy busted TWO of your rods and he's still a friend? Must be a great ptyd buddy.;) That said, the good news is Carry should be able to repair either of the rods if you want to send them over. Say 'send them over' as he'll need the whole rod to assure the new sections match up properly.

    You'd think that a 'rods a rod,' not quite the truth. All things are not created 100% equal. If you need any assistance on this just let us know; most of us know Carry/Company quite well (personal basis).


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