I have a Spring Creek which is a bit heavy or at least the model I have. I ran into a guy up at Chopaka this past June. He was just coming off the water as I was preparing to go out. I think his pram was a cedar strip type of construction. Cedar strips covered with fiberglass. Anyway I asked him if he needed a hand to lift it up on top of his SUV. He said sure since it was really windy otherwise he wouldn't need the help. I couldn't believe how light that thing was. It weighed almost nothing. He said he built and sold them but I haven't been able to find them on the internet. The only thing I know is he was from Spokane so maybe some of the Spokane flyfishers on this board know of him. I think he might of been a member of a Spokane fly club. As light as that thing was if I were to replace my pram I'd try to go that route. The strip type of construction makes a pretty boat also.