Lower Quinault in 2014

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by Slate Run, Nov 29, 2013.

  1. From The Evening Hatch's website:

    "The Lower Quinault 2014 dates in Feb and March - More info soon on our new swing only program on the Lower Quinault - This exclusive program is very cool as we have teamed up with a Quinault Guide to show you some of the finest swing fishing for winter steelhead on the West coast."

    An ironic juxtaposition to the bank-to-bank nets on the lower Queets.
     
  2. Makes perfect sense. Net the Queets steelhead to extinction and preserve the tribal river as a destination fishery.

    I wouldn't pay a dime to fish on the res.
     
  3. That said, I have always been interested in fishing above the lake for trout. Anybody done that and if so, what were the results?
     
  4. Here's how to DIY the lower Quinault, parts of the Salmon, as well as the Raft river (oh, you've never heard of that? It's bobber water completely on tribal land that gets a small run of hatch dogs) without paying a non native guide a dime. Unless you're into paying someone another 10+% just for shits n' giggles, then by all means, ring the guy about this *exclusive* experience.

    Go to the QN website http://www.quinaultindiannation.com/ to find a list of tribally licensed guides, give one a bell, and set a date. Not all guides fish all waters, or methods of fishing for that matter, so you'll have to sort that out over the phone. If you want to Cn'R possible wild fish, then talk about that over the phone because on some tribal boats, of it hits the net, it dies. You'll also need to have a tribal license as well which you can buy in Amanda park if you choose to stay near the lake, or in Taholah if you stay somewhere a long the 109.

    The lower river has plenty of swing water (google map that shit!) and if you have a kid a long, or are into hooking steelhead like you're at a Fu**ing trout farm on your nymph gear rod, then you can go hook fish at the Salmon river hatchery or in Cook creek at the hatchery which is just off the Moclips Highway/ BIA rd S-26. The Cook creek set up is shown on google maps as well, so search it out to help orient yourself with the area.

    If you want to check references for any of the guides, go to everyones fav gear site, www.piscatorialpursuits.com and search the guides name. Lots of dudes on their go slay big Coho/whatevs with Letty, Fred, whoever. I could also suggest gamefishin, but most people on here can rub enough brain cells together to at least create a little bit of heat, and that place is full of...o.k., lets just say you've been warned.

    My .02 is that You really shouldn't fish with the tribe without knowing about their modern or current impact on native fisheries, so I'd also suggest doing some research on that. A start: http://www.fws.gov/quinaultnfh/

    Something you'll want to familiarize yourself with too is the state regs with fish in the Salmon, or strays, as sometimes tribal fish are miss clips, they'll have a pectoral or ventral fin missing, or my fav is measuring the dorsal height. It's legit to bonk anything you want on tribal land, hence my advice on understanding the regs because some of you may be cool with fishing there, yet not want to kill possible native fish.

    Just a thought, but I don't understand how a guide can support the Native fish society, and the Wild Steelhead Coalition, yet turn around and support a system/program where the people that run it, pretty much do whatever the hell they want in regards to native fish.
     
  5. that quote pretty much symbolizes everything wrong with the fly fishing industry in washington state. anybody who supports anything quinault related is absolutely against wild steelhead on the olympic peninsula.

    sickening.....
     
  6. So what you guys are saying is even though the Evening Hatch has all of those cool logos on their home page claiming they support all those cool organizations they are still into making a buck?
     
  7. I would so love to swing the lower Quinualt. But I'm not paying a dollar to that tribe or anyone teaming up with them.
     
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  8. I fished above the lake a few years back. Some great water but my skills at the time are not what they are now so landed nothing. Me and my youngest boy pounded the banks for just one afternoon.

    I shall return there again some day.

    Stew

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  9. If they figure out how much people would pay to catch and release wild steelhead, they might stop netting them for $13 bucks a pop. Change the incentive structure if you can't change the rules.
     
  10. Quite frankly, I'm surprised nobody had cracked into this market sooner. It'll be interesting to see what kind of response this gets outside of the conservation angle.

    To play devil's advocate, it might not be a terrible thing to have more C&R fly angling traffic on the lower river. Perhaps at the moment any of the natives that might see potential in expanding a C&R sport fishery on the lower rivers and that support conservation measures find it difficult to gain any traction within the current status quo. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but allowing the tribe to see increased value in sport fishing for steelhead could be beneficial in the long term. Hell, it can't be any worse than what currently goes on out there...simply ignoring them and refusing to show the value of "alternative uses" for their steelhead probably won't change anything for the better.

    I guess after many years I've come full circle and decided to take a "glass half-full" perspective on the situation because the alternative is so depressing.
     
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  11. I suppose this is a pretty good way to look at it. I'll hold back and see how it goes and if there's any hope of influencing the culture of what goes on out there.
     
  12. Alrighty, I got some inside info.

    The guy who is doing the guiding for them sounds like the real deal. He sees the fish as a way more valuable thing not in the nets. He wants to see a cultural change with the younger generations out there, and is planning to start teaching them to use fly rods to catch steelhead, and hope to show them the value of the fish.

    Seems pretty cool on the side of the tribal guide. My initial reaction was negative, but that's easy to do on touchy subjects like this.
     

  13. Good cause and, pigosaurus steelhead on the swing? OK, that could be cool. Especially if they control the pressure on the fishery.
     
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  15. This is great, and hopefully us non-tribal anglers take them up on it. Governor Stevens and Judge Boldt gave the tribes a legal right to harvest their quota in traditional places, and as backwards and unethical as their methods might be, all the rants, comments and fishings forums in the world arnt making that go away.

    What will take the nets out is a viable economic alternative that pays more than dead steelhead (or chum eggs).
     
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  16. The nets aren't coming out on the Quinault, regardless of how much money Tribal guides make guiding non-Indian fishermen, no matter how many steelhead you catch and release (officially the Tribe spurns the very concept of CNR). Certain Tribal members will never become fishing guides, regardless of any inherent lack of social and business skills. They have inherited fishing rights at specific set net sites, and that is what they do, and will continue to do. Thinking a group of conservation-minded fly fishermen might lead the way through example to a "better" fishery conservation outcome is the height of cultural misunderstanding and failure. All they want from you, at most, is your money.

    The Tribe has already decided their science through policy decision that wild and hatchery fish are the same. They practice selective breeding of steelhead. They net fish at hatchery stock fishing rates. And wild native steelhead are in a world of hurt in the Quinault basin as a result.

    Sg
     
  17. Sg, I agree with you that if we ever expect the tribes to give up their right to catch fish, we are living in a dreamer's world. And my experience with the tribes' philosophy/concept on C&R is the same as yours. However, the last sentence of your first paragraph gives me hope. If we can show them that there COULD be more money in steelhead fishing (and letting wild fish go), then that, with time, might be the way to initiate a change in their attitude toward C&R fishing.

    My brother called me for a Thanksgiving chat. Although he has probably only sport fished less than a dozen days in his life, he has commercial fished Alaska for years and is now running a tuna boat over south of Hawaii. He regularly runs down to Christmas Island (I'm trying to figure out an economical way to fish down there but its difficult) from Hawaii. Many of his crew are natives from Christmas Island and he commented on how much tourism dollars is brought there for guys looking to C&R bonefish, GT, etc. and is WAY more profitable than catching fish for food. He then turned the conversation to the Pacific Northwest and made the comment about how Native Americans would be better off selling sport fishing trips to anglers, rather than exercising their gill netting rights. He argued they would make more money, have less impact on the resource, and probably would not have to work as hard doing it. While I understand the tribes not wanting to give up their way of life in gill netting, most of what my brother said was right on and something that I have been stating for a long time.
     
  18. Their nets aren't coming out. Feel free to swing around them, but that's as far as they are going in regards to sport fishing. They may guide you up around a corner so you can't see them, though.



    This isn't a new thought. The nets aren't coming out. Wasting my energy trying to influence them on a "better way" isn't going to happen either. Only way I can see anything changing is revisiting the Boldt decision which isn't going to happen. No politician will touch it because it isn't PC. Possibly thru a lawsuit by someone who's had enough of this BS but I don't see that happening either.

    All the while the Queets gets netted 5 days a week from fall to spring. And that's only their "scheduled" days. Actual days are unknown because I'm sure there's some ceremony someone is exercising their rights on at any given day...... Not to mention the Chehalis system salmon being netted to oblivion.
     
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  19. The Quinaults message to sportsman is clear," come here, there are very few rules, kill whatever in the hell you want to." That crassness won't be changing.

    I merely posted my 'how to' to help the fine folks on WFF avoid unnecessary costs and to get them to read up on the, well, whatever you'd call that style of fish management.
     

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