Methow River to close Sept. 18 to all fishing

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Freestone, Sep 17, 2008.

  1. Runejl Josh

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    Jason I think I agree with you about what you are trying to say, we are all responseable. But... I think that if anyone posted a report on this page about how they were targeting steelhead on closed waters that they would be tore a new one. I have also read your posts about frustrations with people that dont follow the rules, so I guess I dont really know why we should treat a guide any differently.
  2. Josh dead in the water

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    I've never met Dickson though I have heard he's a nice guy in person.

    However, there always seems to be some shit going on with his website. And where there is enough smoke, you are likely to find fire. That kind of junk tires me out. Low class.

    But yes, obviously stuff like this is everyone's problem. But anyone who is stupid enough to publicly claim that they are going after fish they shouldn't be targeting deserves all the crap they get.
  3. luv2fly2 Active Member

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    maybe they should not allow guiding? i did not know the river was open to steelhead? or is it supposed to be closed? maybe they should open it on tues., wed., and thurs. and not every day? mike w
  4. alpinetrout Banned or Parked

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    It's a bit more complicated than that...
  5. Charles Sullivan dreaming through the come down

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    First and foremost, I want to say to Mr. Root, "I feel your pain". To everyone who has been targetting Steelhead over there and has cost Josh a chance at some outside fun, I hate all of you! It is extremely important that Mr. Root (along with all other new dads) be able to enjoy the outdoors and you have ruined it.

    I also noticed the reference to skating caddis on the guide's site. Let's remember here, that a guide is getting paid. I think that if you are licensed and make your living of a resource owned by the state (everyone) then you gotta follw the rules. To advertise fishing for steelhead in waters closed for them is either balsy or stupid. I am not sure which.

    Wake tonight,
    cds
  6. headstrong1 youngish old guy

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    That guide's post pissed me off too. Flagrant disregard by a so-called "biologist" and "conservationist". That post alone probably sent at least 500 sheep straight out of Bellevue straight over here to chase steelhead illegally. I took him off my bookmarks and out of my monday morning ritual.
  7. Josh dead in the water

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    Probably both.
  8. luv2fly2 Active Member

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    okay, i have reread all the posts and i kinda got the drift. could someone pm me the name of the guide in question. i hope the methow does open later this year. to bad there is a system that limits the number of fishers on the river. mike w
  9. Chris Bellows aka. topwater

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    :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

    wdfw going after illegal guiding

    :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
  10. Runejl Josh

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  11. Evan Burck Fudge Dragon

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    good to see someone sporting an avatar of my favorite band :beer2:
  12. Cactus Dana Miller

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    This guide is not ethical. The intentional targeting of a closed species is illegal. Maybe he was trying to make more money by advertising this, but he (and others like him) have actually cost themselves money. All of the people who had booked trips or would book trips are now gone. This also costs local merchants money from lost sales to visiting fishermen.

    When I was there early this week, we spoke with a WDFW agent doing creel checks and he told us about the steelhead situation. He advised us that if we were to accidently hook one to just break it off before fighting it as he didn't count it unless brought to hand. He mentioned the possibility of a closure if more were caught; he was telling everyone this. Guess some just don't listen!

    I feel sorry for all who have now had there plans disrupted by greedy jerks like this guide. I'm glad I made it up there before the closure as I love this river. And, no I didn't hook any steelhead.
  13. alpinetrout Banned or Parked

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    Were you at the show on Saturday?
  14. D3Smartie Active Member

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  15. HauntedByWaters Active Member

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    I agree with all of your comments on guides.

    I agree that Dickson was unethical.

    I simply don't agree with putting any real blaim on Dickson for this closure.

    Don't give him that much credit!

    There are plenty of fishermen who push the rules out there besides Dickson who have nothing to do with him.

    Why don't you blaim the Methow steelhead for being so trouty?

    IMO, it is just stupid to point fingers like this and is so typical of the fishing community and doesn't do anything good for anybody it just serves as catharsis for the pain you feel from steelhead being on the ropes and believe me I feel your pain.
  16. Cactus Dana Miller

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    Well if we don't point out unethical guides such as Dickson, who will? If enough people call out Dickson and guides like him, maybe we can convince a few people to not book with him... get enough and maybe he will need to find a new line of work! Not only will this be good for the fish, but it will be good for the hard working guides who obey the law and act ethically.

    Dickson may not have been the sole reason for the closure, anymore than a poacher wipes out a run, but he is a heavily contributing factor.
  17. Runejl Josh

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    METHOW RIVER (Okanogan Co.)
    from mouth (Hwy. 97 Bridge) to County
    Rd. 1535 (lower Burma Rd.) Bridge
    (621)
    Downstream of Hwy. 97 Bridge, Columbia River rules apply.
    CLOSED WATERS
    from County Rd. 1535 (lower Burma
    Rd.) Bridge to Gold Creek (621)
    All Game Fish June 1-Sept. 30 Catch-and-release. Selective gear rules.
    from Gold Creek to Foghorn Dam (1
    mile upstream of Winthrop) (621)
    All Game Fish June 1-Sept. 30 Catch-and-release. Selective gear rules.
    WHITEFISH Dec. 1-Mar. 31 No min. size. Daily limit 15 WHITEFISH only. Whitefish gear rules.
    from Foghorn Dam (1 mile upstream
    of Winthrop) to Weeman Bridge (8
    miles upstream of Winthrop) (621)
    All Game Fish June 1-Aug. 15 Catch-and-release. Selective gear rules.
    WHITEFISH Dec. 1-Mar. 31 No min. size. Daily limit 15 WHITEFISH only. Whitefish gear rules.
    from Weeman Bridge to the falls
    above Brush Creek (621)
    WHITEFISH Dec. 1-Mar. 31 No min. size. Daily limit 15 WHITEFISH only. Whitefish gear rules.



    After reviewing the rules I guess I dont see where it says you cant fish for Steelhead. I'm not an expert at reading our regs. Maybe someone can explain. My prior post were with the understanding that it was closed for steelhead.
  18. Brett Angel Member

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    I couldn't tell you where in the regs it says this, but it is most definitely closed until/if WDFW announces an opening.
  19. KerryS Ignored Member

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    Sounds a bit like the evening news; no evidence or collaboration.
  20. woodway Squeaky Reel

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    You can fish for steelhead. Under the regs, they are considered trout and when the Methow River trout fishery is open, steelhead are fair game.

    But wild middle and upper Columbia River steelhead are listed as endangered, so they have special protections. WDFW have to get a special permit to open the Methow for trout fishing. That permit specifies how many wild steelhead can be caught before the fishery is to be closed:

    "No more than 20 adult UCR steelhead be caught and released in the Methow
    River trout fishery, of which 2 fish may die;"

    "No more than 12,500 hatchery-and natural-origin juvenile UCR steelhead (0.
    mykiss) in unknown proportion, may be caught and released in Methow River
    trout fishery, of which no more than 1,250 may die;"

    So, if you decide to specifically target wild steelhead, then the net effect is that you may end up forcing an early closure of the fishery, shutting everyone else out.

    You can read the special permit here:

    http://www.nwr.noaa.gov/Salmon-Harvest-Hatcheries/Salmon-Fishery-Management/upload/1554_Permit.pdf