Montana Boat Builders

Discussion in 'Watercraft' started by Dan Soltau, Mar 26, 2006.

  1. TrappedinCO

    TrappedinCO Help! I'm trapped in a landlocked state.

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    The 13' boat is a lot narrower than MBB's guide models (48" I believe). That would be narrower than any Hyde or Clack out there. The wider boat will buy you a lot of stability and storage (nice for clients). The advantages of wood over glass are many and are discussed at length on the MBB board.

    I've been in and out of a lot of boats, big and small, and my vote would be to err on the big side, especially where clients are concerned. However, any way you go, you can't go wrong with those boats.

    For having an angler in the rear of the boat, you'll want to make sure that the hull can support that and still keep water flowing under the stern and not hitting the rear panel. Some hulls have more flotation in the rear and are built for fore and aft anglers, some hulls have less flotation in the rear and are meant for two anglers up front pulling plugs. Some small boats only work well with one angler up front.

    Just my 2 cents.
     
  2. Dan Soltau

    Dan Soltau New Member

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    I wasnt saying it was wider, youll notice there are side panel storages on clacks that have almost no use except to take up space and take up a foot on each side. WOW, I have had a boat before and I dont want a 16' boat, no matter what you tell me I have used almost all shapes and sizes and I am able to efficiently fish and guide people out of this boat. I am mostly going to do special trips with 1 person and maybe two depending on the levels of experience. Please, dont post here to critisize my choice, as you guys have repeated yourself multiple times. JESUS
     
  3. Jergens

    Jergens AKA Joe Willauer

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    i think it was more suggestions so that you might be able to make a more informed decision, but your point is clear now. are you planning on guiding full time or more of a hobby guide? you should enjoy guiding, it has been a blast for me.
     
  4. Dan Soltau

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    Yeah, I will guide some close friends and some outside people, but not crazy guiding. I respect those guides but I am waiting till next summer for that. But I have considered the longer ones, but I am going to test them all out soon, so I will know for sure then. But for now 13'
     
  5. Hoglipstick

    Hoglipstick tailing looped

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    Dan,
    I guide in Western MT. Here are a few tips to help you out.
    The Montana Board of Outfitters has a downloadable guide application which you will need to fill out sign and have signed by a licensed outfitter which indicates that he will let you guide for him/her and he will stipulate those dates of employment. The application fee is $100
    Your requirements are that you have a current FIRST AID cert (CPR Cert is no longer a requirement) and no F&G violations. (if you don't have you can first aid cert. you can get it through the Red Cross (Msla RC holds a class that costs $65, takes a full day and must pass a 60 question test after). On the guide application there is a box you can mark that is a request for Boat tags. These tags are, in effect, your guide boat lic. I tend to laminate mine and grommet them and hang them off my oarlocks with a zip tie, so that I can move them from boat to boat as needed. Dan there are days (not often) that even 16' doesn't feel like enough room for certain clients. I have to agree that unless you are going to be guiding someone you are close friends with or already intimate with, - 13' might seem awefully small. Remember, that boat capacity is not necessarily your limiting factor. With a smaller boat, you will displace more water (deeper draft), you will pay for this when you are threading hydraulics, and picking your way through submerged rocks, etc.

    Typically, I keep a second rod rigged in for my clients in case we get into fish and they loose their fly at a critical time, or in case I want to be ready with a different pattern. At only 13', you may have trouble doing this and keeping your clients from breaking a rod.
    An outfitters lic. has requirements of (if memory serves right) 120 verifiable guide days, a $1,000 app. fee, a test for the type of endeavor you will outfit for (i.e., hunting fishing), and Verification of insurance (F.O.A.M. is a great org. to belong to for this, among other, reasons
    If you find someone to sign your guide lic and allow you to "contract" riverdays, then you will need to carry liability Ins. (a little on the spendy side, these days). Have new infant daughter and not sleeping much these days, so if I missed something, my apologies. Good luck.
    Rick
     
  6. Hoglipstick

    Hoglipstick tailing looped

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    Forgot to mention that MT. bord of Outfitters will allow you to get your lic. without First aid cert, but you must get within 90 days or they will revoke your lic.