New Boat Model Name Part 2

Discussion in 'Watercraft' started by BDD, Feb 1, 2014.

  1. BDD Active Member

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    At the risk of moving forward without completing the naming of our last new boat model (which we are still working on) we have a new one to consider. This is a 9' self bailing raft that will hold two people and gear for overnight trips. The hauling capacity is around 1100 pounds, it has 3 air chambers (1 in the floor) front and back handles, though not really needed as the raft weighs about 50 pounds plus another 30 with the frame. I think it could be a cool little boat that packs a decent punch.

    We did have this is the WA Sportsman Show last weekend and it seemed to draw lots of positive response. What do you guys think about it and a possible name?

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  2. Ed Call Mumbling Moderator

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    Mighty Mouse
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  3. Rob Hardman Active Member

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  4. Evan Virnoche Guest

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    Red rocket or puppy chubby
  5. Wayne Kohan fish-ician

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    Nice looking boat. Looks somewhat like a Hyside Mini-me or a Trib 9.5. I bought the Mini-max last year, put an NRS frame on it. Unfortunately haven't got it out enough yet. But it's nice because you don't need a trailer to haul around. Can inflate it with an electric pump in just a few minutes. I like your frame, wish you had it last spring to consider.

    How about the Overnighter? One night stand?

    Wayne
  6. SpeyFitter Active Member

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    David,

    Since you guys now have 2 boats with no confirmed name yet, I think it's important you have a naming strategy since these are now a series of boats essentially (assuming you are going to market and produce both these boats?). Your other boat was a small one man framed mini-raft, this boat is a 2 man (or can be used as a 1 man or 2 man) framed mini-raft. Just like you guys have a strategy with your 1-salt, 2 salt, 3 salt series, etc.

    Having said that, this boat almost kinda makes your other boat redundant in some ways, unless your other one man mini-raft had a noticeable price point reduction and/or this boat had significant feature advantages to justify the price difference (which it does appear to have - added length, probably added width, can carry 2nd passenger, can carry more gear/weight, anchor mount, etc,etc.).

    Scott
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  8. constructeur Active Member

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    Speyfitter- I don't agree that the boats make each other redundant; ofcourse there is some cross over, but you'd have a hard time doing an overnight with another person on the first boat.

    Dave,
    Any chance at test driving this red boat sometime this Summer over a weekend?
  9. SpeyFitter Active Member

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    A few suggestions

    1) Make the anchor system an option to purchase with the boat if so desired. This will keep purchase price down as I would
    think most guys who buy this would want it for river applications, and I don't know how many guys would use the anchor system for rivers. Some might, but I know I don't.
    It would also make stuffing stuff behind the oarsman on the floor much easier.

    2) Put Chafe strips on the top where the frame meets the boat.

    3) Extra D-ring in the middle of the 2 existing D rings to better hold the frame to the boat. Also the extra D-rings you could thread a rope through like they do on rafts and hang things
    like flip straps, etc.

    4) I like the idea of the piece of wood on the front for the passenger and/or for storing gear. It would be cool if there was some way to have a proper seat on there for the passenger and then
    if you didn't have a passenger, a reasonably quick way or "system" to remove the seat and make this area in lieu of a passenger as a storage area for dry bags, gear, etc.. I would suggest, perhaps instead of the riveted
    piece of wood, to put a piece of thicker aluminum plate (1/4"?) and weld it to the frame rails where the wood is. Then have holes in it for a seat. If the seat is not installed it's just a flat piece of aluminum to
    put stuff on. If it's installed, you got your passenger with you.

    5) Maybe a bar that dips down (just a few inches?) for the oarsman to rest his feet on for bearing down on the oars if needed. Perhaps bent in a "U" shape and that is welded onto the underside of the two inner bars that are parallel with the length of the boat.
  10. SpeyFitter Active Member

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    Basically what I said was they are redundant if there is not a noticeable price point difference and/or noticeable features on the 2nd boat over the 1st boat - why would you buy the 1st boat if it's not far price wise from the 2nd boat when the 2nd boat appears to offer so much more (2 man vs 1 man, larger carrying capacity, self bailing floor, etc.).
  11. constructeur Active Member

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    If I mostly fished alone, and/or stillwaters, I'd want to first boat over the second boat. To me it looks like a super high quality Watermaster style of boat, with some more rocker making it capable of some rapids for, say, remote trip.

    That's not me though, I usually have a mate a long, and a dog, so I recon the red boat is the bees knees for tight and light Summer outings when I don't want to drag my 15' out. And I prefer rafts to cats. Hope that answers your question as to why someone would want one over the other.
  12. PT Physhicist

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    Speyfitter, putting a seat on the front isn't a difficult proposition. 4 holes and 4 screws. 2 minutes to install or remove isn't a detriment to the desing. Seems you like to nit pick every idea out there. The boats are completely different in my eyes. 1 for lake and river fishing. A 2nd that could be loaded down for heavier use.

    Looks like a nice boat. My only concern would be the balance of it with rower and anchor toward the rear. On a smaller boat the balance is pretty important.
  13. SpeyFitter Active Member

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    PT - I apologize - I am an industrial gas fitter (and plumber) and where I work I service, repair, and maintain a few hundred heating boilers and some furnaces for a school district. Many of these boilers are in the several million BTUH range. The littlest details on these boilers if they aren't addressed could result in carbon monoxide poisoning, or an explosion that could cause severe damage to property and/or severe injury or loss of life. I didn't attain an industrial gas fitter certification because of a lack of attention to detail.

    I think David knows my comments are with the best of intention as in constructive criticism. My suggestions are with the intention that I am staring at the boat as if I want to buy it, but there are a few things about it that bug me about it that I would want changed before I buy. Some of my suggestions might cost very little to change, if anything at all. Many of them will IMPROVE the boat. What's wrong with improving something?

    A piece of 1/4" alumnum plate welded to the front for a seat mount or storage mount will be lighter, and with holes drilled in for a seat mount, be more versatile than the piece of wood riveted to the frame.
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  14. PT Physhicist

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    SpeyFitter, with your attention to minute details, I'd think you'd see those are two completely different watercraft. 1 weighing under 40 pounds total that could be used as a kick boat and the other probably pushing 100# for much heavier use. No offense intended, as I can understand where you're coming from. And, all we're doing is throwing out ideas which is never a bad thing.
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  15. Evan Virnoche Guest

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    is that a maxxon raft?
  16. BDD Active Member

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    The problem with using "Red" in the name is it also comes in blue. ;)

    SpeyFitter-The design of our pontoons have remained relatively unchanged for 15 years, besides some custom work and minor tweaks here and there. It has been proven for the most part. One gripe we hear is weight. Yes, they can be heavy compared to the frameless boats. But they can do so much more than the frameless boats and will literally last a lifetime. We guarantee it.

    The last two models have been experimental prototypes. I'm not sure that we will ever market them though if somebody wants one or a frame using anybody's inflatable product, we will do it. I believe there are enough differences between the two boats to warrant two designs; weight, price, floor vs. no floor, size, portability, capacity, etc.

    To your 5 suggestions (which I do appreciate BTW, which is why I posted here).

    1. Anchor systems are always optional. The last time I floated my favorite river without an anchor system, it drove me crazy. You always think there will be a gravel bar to beach your boat while fishing but there were so many times that I had to monitor/hold my boat while fishing, it was a real pain. But there are those who, for some reason or another, don't want one. It adds more weight and cost. The BC lodge who bought two last year for flying in with helicopters didn't want one. He simply tied it to his waist while letting his clients fish on their own. To each his/her own.

    2 and 3. The boat came as it was shown without chaffing pads or more D-rings. While I agree with you, those cost more money and this site is littered with examples of folks wanting to spend as little money as possible, just like the rest of society. I can only make the suggestion to the manufacture with the hope they will make the change.

    4. As mentioned, putting on a removable seat is no problem. We only had a couple days at best to finish the frame before the Outdoor Show, which didn't give us a lot of time to get creative. But then, some folks like it simple. I'm not sure whether we will market either of these boats but again, this was merely our first stab and an effort to get some feedback from fly anglers and the comments/feedback has been helpful.

    5. Again, welding a heel bar on the frame is not a problem; just adds a fraction of weight and a little more cost. Some will want it, others won't. But we, unlike many others, at least offer custom options.

    PT, Yes, balance is critical in a small boat. I think with the relatively large diameter tubes and large weight capacity, it can be balanced with 1 or 2 people. But honestly, we have not had it out on the water yet.
  17. BDD Active Member

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    Yep.
  18. Evan Virnoche Guest

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    that thing is sick
  19. Chris Bellows The Thought Train

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    so pick a red name (the sci-fi geek in me likes Red Dwarf) and name the blue one the Viagraft.
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