What do I know---I'm just an old man Must of just missed each other. They were getting ready to go down to the river just as I left. All I know about back hauling is what you can haul in the back of a pick-up. So much for having no brains. I was getting it out quite a ways today, but I am thinking that I'm doing a single haul with out thinking. But it could be the line. I use that 555 by Cortland and I find that I can get longer casts with it. Jim P/S And the ribs were finger licken good.