(NFR) Sad Day to be a Hokie

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  1. Tim Garton

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    I too was stunned by the whole incident. It's hard to imagine the shock and pain that has been inflicted by one person.

    I wish people would not refer to it as a tragedy. I think of tragedies as "acts of god", accidents, something you could not foresee or control. When it purposely perpetrated by another human it is an atrocity.
     
  2. Sloan Craven

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    I respectfully think the use of the word tragedy isn't really confined to accidents. Tragedy often refers to bad things caused by people that should now better "a greek tragedy, tragedy of the commons."

    What really gets me is that whenever they show pictures of serial killers, homicidal maniacs, or other bad people is that there is something in their eyes. I mean if you had been living in a cave in the desert with your eyes closed and then were brought into a room and shown dozens of pictures of individuals and asked to pick out the pics of Ted Bundy, David Berkowitz, Harold Shipman, Ed Gein, or Jeffrey Dahmer you could. This is because they look fairly normal with the exception of this really uncomforting distant look in their eyes. And now they show pics of the Virginia Tech murderer and he has that same look.
     
  3. gt

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    30 young people lose their lives, for no reason, at VT and the nation stops. 30 people a day, or more, lose their lives in iraq on a daily basis and the nation pretends not to notice. something is wrong here.
     
  4. Sloan Craven

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  5. raincityrod

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    Great post...a more appropriate title could be " Sad Day to be a United States of American "
     
  6. tahuyamg

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    It is a very sad event that unfolded. But quite frankly I'm tired of all the media attention on all the stations. I personally don't want to see victim after victim shown on the TV. I don't want to sound calloused, or w/o compassion- but it's just to damn depressing.
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  7. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

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    This raises an interesting comparison: 33 dead would be a light casualty day in Baghdad where daily death tolls occasionally exceed 100, including women and children.

    Our media report the daily carnage there with a few short sentences, yet are outraged and grief-stricken when the corpses are Americans, devoting an entire hour to coverage of the VT shootings as ABC's Good Morning America did today.

    Not to diminish the tragedy at VT, but how can Iraqi or Arab lives somehow be worth less than American ones?

    K
     
  8. nomlasder

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    But that's the way it should be, the flip side of this coin is also terrifying. It reminds me of the Texas Tower shooter, Kent State, Kennedy's death, you just can't help but grieve. Truely a sad day.
     
  9. creekx

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    The relative value of lives, or any arbitrary caste system for that matter, has nothing to do with it. A murder in Seattle gets more coverage by the Seattle press than does a murder in New York. But how can New York lives somehow be worth less than Seattle ones?

    The 24/7 coverage of the VT incident by several networks may be overkill, especially considering they only have enough info to fill a 30 minute show. However, the US media is doing anything but downplaying the Iraqi death toll.
     
  10. chadk

    chadk Be the guide...

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    Unfortunately, terrorist atrocities happen everyday somewhere around the globe... and nearly always NOT in our own 'backyard'.

    When this sort of pure evil hits close to home, in a 'safe' setting such as a school, it hits a nerve in all of us.

    Yes, people die every day. In most cases we understand what is going on to some extent - war, jihad, genocide, etc. But in this case, 'one of our own' seems to have snapped. It is not logical. People are freaked out and stunned. I'm not sure why that is so hard to understand...
     
  11. raincityrod

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    Worth and Value..? given that the Military Industrial Complex's Profits rose 25% last year ( you do the math.. can ya ? ) War definitely pays...http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html ..and what were those oil company profits for the last four years ?

    I, also was very confused, till Rummy set me straight..." Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know." — Donald Rumsfeld

    Turn it off, go someplace else for a day, or an eternity... tight lines
     
  12. Sloan Craven

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  13. tahuyamg

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    God Damn Sloan we all have computers here and TV, I don't think a play by play is necessary. I think this topic is dead! Lets talk about something more positive and peaceful. How about fishing.
     
  14. chadk

    chadk Be the guide...

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    nobody's forcing you to come here, read, get depressed, and swear at Sloan. Just don't click the link... you can do it... concentrate now... focus grasshopper...

    Raincity - they haven't even buried the victims. Can't you leave your politics aside for a few days? (I know I'm asking a lot...)
     
  15. Sloan Craven

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    Im not trying to be horrific or a downer, but how I cope is in trying to find out what happened. I think its important to learn about this. I'm sorry if Im bringing anyone down by this, but that's what this thread is about.
     
  16. raincityrod

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    chadk...you should practice what you preach...you can do it.. concentrate now... and if that doesn't work.. police your kids..wife..friends...you get the picture.. eh grasshopper
     
  17. chadk

    chadk Be the guide...

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    grow up dude...
     
  18. Mike Etgen

    Mike Etgen Not Quite A Luddite, But Can See One From Here

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    That's why I labelled this thread NFR - Non Fishing Related. I think that's the way we've agreed that we would flag a thread so the disinterested could steer clear.

    Like Sloan said, some of us work through things like this by talking about or learning what we can about why and what happened. I think that's probably a part of human nature. Fishing's good, too. In fact, I'm going tomorrow just so I won't be thinking about this for a while.

    I agree that there's something out of proportion about the coverage and attention this kind of thing gets, and in fact I knew it would be this way. Frankly, if it hadn't happened in my school and in the community where I spent thirty years of my life, I'm sure it wouldn't have taken me over like it has, and that makes me feel even more appreciative of those who can look at this a little more dispassionately and see other facets of the story. Lots of those folks took the time to post to this thread, and I was kind of surprised, really.

    It's been helpful to read the comments, all of them. Even yours, Mark. You're right, it does make you want to think about and go fishing. I'm thankful I still have that opportunity.
     

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