NFR: Squaxin Tribe Taking 1/2 My Clams

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Go Fish, Feb 9, 2013.

  1. Go Fish Language, its a virus

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    Last summer my neighbor down the beach
    decided to have the clams harvested on
    her tide-lands. They come out to do a survey
    and set up a date to harvest. The survey found
    what we already knew...we have a ton of clams on
    this stretch of beach. I can dig enough to feed a dozen
    people in less than 30 minutes.

    Last week I get a certified letter from the tribe
    informing me that they will be harvesting half
    the clams on my beach in late spring. Pissed?
    Yea at my neighbor for opening the door of information
    and at the tribe. The info they sent
    me made it very clear that they have the right.
    I already knew that.

    Since I have no recourse my only thought was to
    have a giant clam feed....before the harvest date.

    Dave
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  2. ribka Active Member

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    feel your pain. Pick up trucks coming daily in the area where I live and shooting dozens of pregnant does and fawns from the road in their wintering areas as well as elk near the feeding station.
    The deer herd is trying to recover from the hair loss disease and is down over fifty per cent. Shooting pregnant does and fawns from the road sure won't help in the recovery.


    And last year two tribal members shot four spike elk with a 22 mag at night from the road on private property and left them to rot in the neighbor's pasture. WDFW turned over prosecution to the Yak tribe and nothing was done.


    Welcome to Washington resource management.
  3. jwg Active Member

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    http://nwifc.org/about-us/shellfish/treaty-rights-faq/

    HOW WILL A PROPERTY OWNER KNOW WHEN A SHELLFISH HARVEST IS GOING TO OCCUR?

    Several steps must be taken before any tribal harvesting can occur on a beach, and the property owner will get notice of these steps. The tribes are required to conduct shellfish population surveys and estimates before any harvesting can occur. It would be impossible to determine what the tribes’ share of naturally occurring shellfish is on a beach without current information.

    A population survey can occur no more than once every year, and its cost must be paid for by the tribes. All information will be shared with the property owner and the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW). Surveys will be generally be conducted during low tide episodes in the spring and summer.

    If the population survey indicates there is sufficient shellfish on the property to sustain a tribal harvest, then a tribal regulation opening that property for shellfish harvesting will be issued. Notice will be sent to the property owner and WDFW.

    The notice will include the quantity of shellfish that may be taken, the purpose of the harvest (commercial, subsistence or ceremonial), and the dates and times when the harvest will take place. The name, address, and telephone number of the tribal representative responsible for the harvest will also be included in the notice.
  4. Go Fish Language, its a virus

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    jwg,
    I know all of that.
    I got the letter... certified.
    I've got the phone numbers and names.
    Done the google thing.

    I'm going to hire the Ivars Clams to
    dance on my beach during the harvest
    if we don't eat most of them before that.
  5. jwg Active Member

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    I didn't know all that, so I posted what i found

    I was puzzled how one could know how much was half,for clams hidden underground, and if there were harvest limits from which the "half" come.

    Sorry not to have explained my interest

    Jay
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  6. Stonefish Triploid and Humpy Hater

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    I like clams Dave!
  7. Joe Goodfellow Active Member

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    Go back to Europe if you don't like it
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  8. orangeradish Bobo approved

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    I think the clambake is a brilliant idea. I can bring garlic, butter, and white wine.
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  9. bigdood fishing hack

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    They are just respecting the various resources using the same methods their ancestors did. Regular stewards of the environment. C'mon, I'm sure you've all seen the fossilized gill nets and outboards at the Burke Museum?

    For the clambake I can bring beers and at least 5 WA license holders.
  10. DimeBrite MA-9 Beach Stalker

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    I like clams too Dave. What's half of nothing?
  11. Thomas Williams Habitual Line Stepper

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    I'll pitch in on the clam dig, gets old watching the tribes pillage and plunder.

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  12. Matthew Gulbranson Resident Swinger

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    I've been known in my day to put away an insane amount of littlenecks. Just a little garlic butter and beer and watch out!!

    Still that has to be a little hard to take.
  13. ribka Active Member

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    Don't forget the chopped Italian parsley, red pepper flakes and baguettes
  14. Alosa Active Member

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    Perfect example of the tragedy of the commons.
  15. Kevin J. Burnham Active Member

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    Go back to Europe !! **** You !!!!
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  16. Richard Olmstead BigDog

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    So, let me see if I have it right.

    They've done their survey and have an estimate of how many clams are on the beach. They've set a date and have notified you of their intent to come in and harvest their legal quota. You're response is to harvest as many as you can before they show up. They will then come and harvest their quota, (not half of what remains, right?); perhaps taking the rest of what remains, if your harvest is effective.

    How, then, is your plan good for your clam population?

    D
  17. Alosa Active Member

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    I agree with Richard on this one. Your intent to harvest before the tribe is simply out of spite. That's the wrong reason, especially if you want to see clams in the long run. Why not be cooperative and generate some good will among your fellow man? Better yet, host a BBQ while they are there and have fresh clams. Make some friends man. What a great opportunity (if you choose to look at it this way). They are going to harvest anyways...you get more flies with honey than you do with sh!t.

    Better yet: invite the media!!
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  18. dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    Break up your beach into flagged off grids. Then when they come, point them to the 50% squares they can dig in, and tell them to make sure they don't go beyond each grid square because those are YOURS!!
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  19. dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    Apparently, they already harvested all of Squaxin Island????.....
  20. Go Fish Language, its a virus

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    Here are few items. When they come to harvest
    they divide my beach in half and pick a side of it
    to harvest. The other half is mine to do with as
    I please. They are not allowed on my property
    and must access the beach by boat. As for me doing
    something because of spite....thats true.

    There will be one member of the tribe to oversee the
    harvest with a group of hired diggers to do the work.
    Holding a BBQ for them is quite funny. They will be
    digging as fast as they can to minimize the costs to
    the tribe so they can maximize the profit. I will be
    present when they show up just to protect my interests.
    I will be polite to the non-native diggers.

    How would you feel if you got a Certified letter (bad start)
    that said we are coming out to take what is ours and there is
    nothing you can do about it.

    That sounds real F-ing friendly. Just the kind of
    people I want to hang with.