Sorry Coach, guess I hid the sarcasm too well – it was all tongue-in-cheek….I’ll try to be more obvious next time. The point was to illustrate the extremes of response by both sides of the “endless debate/debacle” of “entitlement rights vs. earned rights” here. It frequently reaches such levels of absurdity that I can’t restrain myself. Other times the advice can be astonishingly helpful and candid. Usually the latter is more beneficial to a new(bie) in the sport of fly fishing. I recognize that it is the aim of many here to restrict or constrain information so as to dis-courage those new to the game because they think (?) there’s already too many intruders weasling into their game of fly fishing anyway. Then there are others who have repeatedly demonstrated nothing more than just an old-fashioned mean streak, jealousy or possessiveness in their responses to inquiries, apparently believing that the less others know, the better. I also recognize that how an inquiry is framed or presented often influences the reaction and there are likely as many that don’t know how to do that in order to achieve the best results for the inquirer, as there are those that don’t have a clue on how to enhance the pleasure & enjoyment of others in regards to any pursuit. Not to get too far off the track here, allow me to present a few examples of “Entitlement rights vs. Earned rights!” If I were to hire you as my guide/mentor for some bonefishing in Hawaii, would you take me to the least productive locations and advocate the least productive flies & techniques? Probably not. Why, because that would obviously not be in your best interest. Why? Because the nature of successful guiding services is largely word-of-mouth – in spite of the large sums spent by some on glossy advertising! Now lets assume (dangerous, I know) that awhile later after booking a few more trips with you and other local guides, I decide that “guiding bone fishing trips” is for me. So I buy a boat and all the gear that goes with bone fishing (after all, I’ve learned from the best - AND I am quite wealthy) and commence guiding and catching fish, in the same areas that you use, for myself and my clients. This is, I suspect, sheer blasphemy and in total violation of all the written and unwritten rules….but I digress: Should I be in fear of my life for this infringement upon your and others “sacred, earned territory” and dread the inevitable “contract” being issued by the “Protectors?” What about the River Guide who provides the same services for his paying clientele and later sees his client on the same river with his own drift boat (or not) catching fish like crazy – because he was taught “where and how” by the “best?” Do we need to overtly or covertly solicit the approval of the established community of “whomever, whatever, wherever” to exercise our freedoms? Or is it okay to exercise them as long as we don’t presume to ask anybody any specific questions about anything that pertains to anything the “askee” might know anything about unless we’ve paid that somebody for their services? I mean, where’s the line-of-demarcation between “entitled and not-entitled?” Is it clearly marked so all can tell at a glance where it is and what it looks like? I wonder because it seems that if it was all so clear there would be no further need for any questions from anyone about anything – we’d all just know the truth, sort of “divine-like”, ya know? Well, except for the blind & stupid of course. To be more specific, exactly when is it considered sufficient to have, “paid one’s dues?” By shredding countless waders, bush wacking how many miles into lost & forgotten lakes ‘n streams, burned how many gallons of expensive fuel and how many times to have been rebuffed by how many “serious anglers” in the endless quest for decent fishing? When does one graduate from the “un-serious, un-entitled novice” to the seasoned veteran angler where all good things come at will? When the novice stops asking questions? When the “salts” stop insulting and demeaning him? When he’s made 1.31 million crappy casts – with the wrong fly in the wrong water at the wrong times with the wrong presentation? Does the novice transform into one who commands respect when he stops asking questions? Or just stops asking stupid uninformed questions? Maybe when he’s gone through 3 wives because he spent waaaay too much time fly fishing and left his wifey’s alone to ponder their choice of husbands too often – misplaced passions perhaps? Or now that he has no wives, he has lots of time to fly fish….but no real passion for it anymore wishing instead he had the company of a good woman on cold nights. Let’s see now, the last one was 25 years ago and all three were in the first 12 years….and he’s had lots of time to fish since the last one….and ponder his choices and his passions. Just askin’, Coach because I have enormous respect for your opinions on nearly everything that I’ve read here on the forum. If you’ve written any books, I haven’t read those yet. Respectfully, Jc (Jon) BTW, I’d like to book a bone fishing trip with you one of these days….seriously!