I should have said now I can make fun of orvis customers. Seriously the old zero G is the worst $700 rod I've ever cast in my life, my $80 cabelas stowaway casted better (RIP stowaway). If you got a grand to spend on a rod you should a) get a nice bamboo or b) get a scott or c) buy a $100 rod and use the other $900 to go fishing somewhere sweet. People who buy orvis rods either haven't casted anything else, like to burn money, or are buying a stupid label. I will say that their reels are decent and their lines are ok, but boy I don't get people who like their rods.