Man, Kent, that's a great line! That's awesome. Based on the recent comments from powder monkey, you're probably more correct than not . . . I competed in a casting competition a few years ago, where various rod manufacturers contributed different models for the event. I believe they were all 6 weights that year. There was both a distance casting competition and an accuracy competition. When I was mulling over which rod to use for accuracy, Leland Miyawaki (from the Orvis Bellevue shop) suggested I try the Zero G, as it was 'deadly accurate'. After a few practice casts, I bought in to his comments. After my accuracy run, I had the highest score and one of the fastest times, which stood up for the day. The rod was a great casting tool, and Leland was right on. The prize for the event was the rod, so it went home with me. It is also a great fishing tool. I also own a Helios, a 8'6" five weight. That rod is a pure joy to cast and fish. No, it's action is not for everyone. A buddy who loves Winston BIIx's finds the Helios a little too stiff for his liking. However, when I pick up my Sage 590 XP after casting that Helios, the XP seems very clubby. Orvis makes some great products, and offers great service. Sure, Orvis has some expensive items, but so do most of the other manufacturers out there who offer premium rods. Two years ago, who would have thunk SA would market a $100 retail fly line (Sharkskin) . . .