Pike and Articulated leaches?

Discussion in 'Fly Tying' started by ak_powder_monkey, Sep 22, 2004.

  1. ak_powder_monkey Proud to Be Alaskan

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    Anybody got any Ideas to keep the connection on articulated flies safe from pike teeth?
  2. Monk Redneck

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    Have you tried using dacron? I usually find that (I use rabbit hair) the rabbit strips get sawed apart before the connector does. I also use a really long shank for the first hook and tie my trailer a bit closer to prevent this. Hope it helps. :confused:
  3. ak_powder_monkey Proud to Be Alaskan

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    dacron works? Will try, how does the airticulated part effect the weedlessness of the fly?
  4. Monk Redneck

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    I tie 80lb mono at a 45* angle off the trailer hook shank (aiming at the hook point) for a weed guard. Seems to work allright.
  5. ak_powder_monkey Proud to Be Alaskan

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    Alright I'll tie up some tonight, just gotta find my dacron
  6. Don Johnson Duke of Furl

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    ariculated flies and connections

    I posted an article on salmonfly.net describing the construction of a furled stinger for articulated flies. That method depicted in the article works equally as well with braided stainless wire as it does with mono and is probably a better material for toothy critters.

    Another advantage is that with the furled stinger in place one can actually change the stinger hook, which is ompossible with a static tandem harness (one where the stinger is lashed to the connection and then glued or epoxied).

    If you have any questions about the furling method, please feel free to contact me direct.

    Regards,
    Don Johnson
  7. alpinetrout Banned or Parked

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    I'd have to agree with using wire if you want your flies to survive a few fish. I've had 80# mono shock tippets shredded by small pike after 20 fish or so.
  8. Zen Piscator Supporting wild steelhead, gravel to gravel.

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    use wire leader as the joint. It should work alright.
  9. Monk Redneck

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    I find that wire affects the action too much. What would be the difference using wire versus a longer shanked hook? If you want the action, i think you need something flexible... I use our dacron halibut lines (80lb spectra) this is a similar diamerter to 15 lb mono. The action is uninhibited and the strenght is superb. If you are simply looking for a long leech pattern, i suppose wire would suffice, but i like the 'swimming' motion an articulated pattern provides.
  10. Don Johnson Duke of Furl

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    wire

    Some of the braided stainless wires sold as leader material are vey thin in diameter for their respective breaking strength and are much more mobile than a single strand of wire. They also lend themselves well to the furling method mentioned in my earlier post. Another advantage is that when chewed on, the braided material is less likely to take a set or permanent bend.
  11. polarbear50 New Member

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    I read somewhere .010 guitar string...GHS Boomers work great!
  12. Matt Burke Active Member

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    I always use gel spun, like spectra, on my rediculated leeches. But, having caught pike before and having lost many because of their teeth, I would opt for some kind of wire even if it meant losing some of the action of the tail. Gel spun is amazing stuff, but surprisingly it doesn't take much of nick perpendicular to the line to reduce it's strength. Special knots are required just to tie it and even then, the knot can be reduced in strength by 50%.

    Man I love Pike. They hit like a train. Way harder than Steelhead, but don't fight as well. Post some pics when you nail 'em
  13. Bob Triggs Your Preferred Olympic Peninsula Fly Fishing Guide

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    Try single strand wire trace material. Won't fray or unravel from skipping across the tooth points. Works great on African Tigerfish, should be fine on pike.
  14. alpinetrout Banned or Parked

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    Go wire! Even the heavy braids I experimented with for shock tippets wouldn't hold up to more than 2 or 3 fish.
  15. Smalma Active Member

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    Powder monkey -
    Try tying them without the second hook. Predators like pike usually take the bait/fly from the head so 1 hook is all that is really needed - tied a number of pike flies for friends and they report no drop off on hook ups with just one hook. A bonus is that the fly is easier to tie and fish.

    Tight lines
    S malma
  16. Aaron_Dupee Not Newbie

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    Yeah, go wire. When I went pike fishing in Finland last summer I tied up some A-leeches and I used American Fishing Wire in 40lb test. It is more flexible than most steel leaders. Good luck w/ the pike, learn the lip lock!

    Tight Lines,

    Dupee
    Genesis 1:21-22