Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by Panhandle, Oct 6, 2009.
Their niave, rustic, innocent little bodies of water never stood a chance
The new Pink run...
Especially with all of this damn interweb machine talk about em'
Always wondered with all that great steelheading water on the west side of the state. Why do so many head over the cascades to fish our "innocent little bodies of water"?
Pan....just keep fishing...you know when Nov hits....we'll have the rivers back
cuz the columbia river doesnt come this way .... i can fish to 300 steelhead here or a few thousand over there....
Western Washington steelhead must be smarter than eastern Washington steelhead. I doubt the upriver Columbia system produces more steelhead than the whole of the Oly Pen, Puget Sound, Chehalis system and Hood Canal. Maybe someone with those darn scientific numbers could comment but I like my chances here on the wet side. Disclaimer: I have had my best steelhead day ever in Eastern Wa. I am a Eastern Wa native and disagree with the statement "Western Washington steelhead must be smarter than eastern Washington steelhead." Dammit!!! Now I'm really confused!!!!:beathead:
I agree. I have been attacked for saying that. Called an asshole. Called xenophobic or something like that. Called all kinds of crap on this site....
So many ignorant anglers who haven't fished long enough to know..........I realized how things go and how important keeping a low profile is when the Sky C&R closed ten years ago and suddenly the Skagit C&R had 4X as many boats and anglers. That might as well have been 100 years ago to the internet fishermen.
I think all these newer anglers just don't realize what it is like to lose something like that but they will certainly know in time. :hmmm:
They have the passion but not yet the wisdom.
Was anyone there when the Methow re-opened in 2002? There was hardly a soul around and the fishing was stupid. So stupid I put my rod down. So stupid I didn't take a picture. So stupid it ruined my long time steelhead partner. He caught 30+ in a day including many natives and he just didn't want to go back to the Skagit. After that experience, the last thing I was going to do was run for the nearest computer and start propping up my ego. I think there are a lot of us types but our voices get drown out by a bunch of lazy whiners who want steelhead by the truck load and hope to someday be called the "greatest" or "legendary" or.........
And don't get me wrong, I think there is a place for an internet forum on fly fishing in WA. I come here to learn a few new tricks. Hear some new perspective. Dispense technical advice when I can et cetera. I just wish anglers realized that these fisheries aren't here to stay, are very sensitive, and the quality of fishing goes down dramatically when they get played out by the internet.
iagree, well said HBW
Count yourselves lucky on the eastside. For the most part "they" just come for a few days and fish and then go home. Think about us from the westside. All the folks from the big cities (Seattle/Tacoma/Olympia) and the folks from out of state (east coast, california, and so on). They didn't go home after visiting...they frickin stayed and moved on in. Crowding out everything, making traffic congestion where there never was any, and whole slew of other shit.
Uh, I would be interested in seeing numbers too, but wouldn't doubt it if the Columbia had more fish.
Poor eastside steelhead rivers...
I agree, the crowds are tough. But anglers standing on every rock hammering hatchery fish is only one issue... and as long as Pan left the door open on interpretation as to why we should feel sympathy, here I go again...
Returns of steel to the Rhonde, Clearwater and mainstem Snake have been paralyzed by hydro projects on the Lower Snake.
In 1962 over 115,000 wild steel cam back to Idaho/WA/OR (Imnaha). 2009 you have something like 34,000.
Mourn the the east side rivers because we traded their living, breathing genetic heritage for a few Kilowatts of power so Cali (and we) can run their (our) air conditioners a little more cheaply...
Unless we make a decision to turn that around, our grandkids will surely wonder why we sold our rivers down the river. :beathead:
I have my own rock. I bring it with me so I always have one to stand on when I fish.
As for the thread heading, the same can be said of steelhead runs throughout their range. They never stood a chance. We begin by over fishing, then we degrade and destroy the habitat, further reducing potential abundance, and then we crowd around the last best places, competing for a rock to stand on to gain a chance at the last fish.
Yes we will Millsy...yes we will! :thumb:
Remember its very dangerous to drive over the passes when there is snow. Very dangerous.
For all of you that bitch about crowds, I suggest you pass out birth control to everyone who may spawn a fisherman. It ain't the internet's fault, it all the people making more people. Myself included.
Poor indeed, went to the Methow for the first and for this year anyways last time this year, so feel safe with this report, and it was unbelievable. yes lots of people, but have never seen so many fish hooked up, maybe just a lucky day, so crazy that i just expected a tug with every cast, simply amazing, hope it keeps up. this was on Monday, nymphing of course . was at the Ronde after that and not even close in comparison. Hunt season here so i'm off from fishin'.
In my opinion, fly fishing has become crowded in part due to advertisement "Come fish with us, where our office is waterside" "Legendary rivers, at your beck and call" etc. etc.
Yada yada yada, a lot of people are making a lot of money off of our public waters, which is fine, it's called guiding, but some people sure make fisheries known so they receive business. And not just paying clients hear about which streams are gems. Some of our best eastside steelhead streams are eating it because of crowds. Now there are plenty of fish, and anyone can still get em' but now a lot of people are forced to fish methods not considered as fun or traditional. Take swinging vs. nymphing. For example, who's gonna spend their precious weekend on the Klick swinging for mouth sore fish that got nymphed up by three boats full of guides and clients an afternoon before you arrived? Probably not going to be as effective, so now if you want a legitimate chance at catching some fish, you'll have to stoop to that level. Fly fishing, especially for steelhead has become very very popular, and what's happening now has been expected, and can't really be changed. It's all still fun, just a little more competitive, and the "whoring" out of rivers definitely can't help.
here's a perspective: As our water's become more crowded by shrinking opportunity and a larger population, traditional stream side ettiquette will be imperative as a behavior for us all to enjoy a day on the river. It doesn't matter the method used, just move through the run and give a fellow fisher an opportunity. If the concern is about numbers of fish caught at any cost the fishing will always be a disappointment to yourself and other anglers. Unfortunately, were loosing sight of the much bigger picture and that is of the fact we are fishing for a shrinking resource and more worried about our catching.