Poor mans motorized dubbing brush invention

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  1. Daryle Holmstrom

    Daryle Holmstrom retiredfishak

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    Well brother if you can spin at that speed you da man

    , for your first post watch out for the patrol
     
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    I have an old arrow cresting rig that I used my wife's old Singer sewing machine motor on. Thanks for the info - it's going to get resurected as a dubbing brush machine.:thumb:
     
  3. Randy Diefert

    Randy Diefert aka: Longears

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    Bass-tard Look close at the photo. right in front of the motor is an ordinary dimmer switch with an on/off button. It is totally variable speed. Works like a hot damn!
     
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    Randy Diefert aka: Longears

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    I have a root's dubbing machine that I'll sell somebody if their interested too. It is made out of Oak and has one added feature. I took the 9volt battery out and got an a/c adapter and wired that in. Interested ? give me a shout. Before I get blasted here too, It's not a classified ad. I'm just seeing if anyone reading this post wanted one that's already made. I had no intention of selling it in the first place. I paid $125.00
     
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    I'd never heard of these brushes before reading this thread. Looks interesting. What kind of flies work best, generally, with these things?
     
  6. Randy Diefert

    Randy Diefert aka: Longears

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    I Like the Dragon Nymph that I tye using a Olive Dubbing Supreme Dubbing brush for big Northern BC Rainbows. These are indestructable fly's because of the stainless wire core,yet you can't see it. It looks more like a segmented body on the abdomen.
     
  7. Daryle Holmstrom

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    The photos of the brush are about 9 inches long, one brush will do a single steelhead fly, or about 3 or 4 trout flies depending upon wire thickness and the amount of dubbing material. I'm still experimenting with materials. The motor is just a simple battery powered driver that turns at a slow revolution. A dremel would be way too fast.

    Randy might chime in here, I would say that when I twist the brush I get between 250 to 400 revs (twists) before the wire breaks?

    Wrapped on for the body pretty much bullet proof. Sinks like a rock because of the wire.
     
  8. Randy Diefert

    Randy Diefert aka: Longears

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    Yes, You definately need to control the speed of what ever motor you use. And winding the rope until the wire breaks works but what works better is...
    on the far post run your wire through a ball bearing swivel and attach that to a spring which is attached to the post. now run the wire back to the motor and trap your material in between the 2 wires and slowly start twisting the wire. Gradually increase the motor speed.When the material stands straight out at a 90 degree angle from the wire your done.Overtightening does not strengthen the rope. The reason a hand held motor works is that your getting closer to the other end as the wire twists. That's why you can get by without the spring and swivel.If a rope is made right ,it can be combed with a wire brush with a minimumamount of material loss. There are a lot of materials that can be added to make very interesting brushes.
     
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    I've seen this refrence to a "ball bearing swivel a couple of times. what's it's purpose? I understand the spring allows the brush to shorten as it is twisted but if the wire was hooked to the swivel it would turn with the moter and not twist????
     
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    Today I got a 4 inch Massey fan at Wal-Mart...by taking off the front cage/ guard and the blade it appears to be great for one of these boards...even has a handy stand.....will the dimmer slow down a fan motor????????
     
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    Randy Diefert aka: Longears

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    Yes, The dimmer switch should work on your fan motor as a dimmer switch is what I use on my ceiling fan in my Den. You can look at the machine my friend built for my classes on my site to get an idea of how to set up your machine. Just make sure that if you do use a dimmer switch on your machine, it is the type that pushes "on & off"the twist of the knob just controls the motor's speed. I might add one word of caution in here also. Do not use a motor that you cannot stop with your bare hands and do not wear rings when you are using these machines. This is why I wouldn't go any bigger than a sewing machine motor. The other thing that I don't like is a foot control. I like to have my hands in control of the machine so, everything is set up within fingertip reach. The machine my friend made for me makes a 16" brush.
    Hope this answers your questions.
    Randy
     
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    Randy Diefert aka: Longears

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    bfic, The swivel does not turn as fast as the motor and will "lock up"
    I use it kind of like when you use the "dubbin' Twirler" that's out on the market. it helps with tightening the rope evenly. I only use those cheapo Danielson company ball bearing ones though.
    Hope this helped.
     
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    .......your idea makes me think a motorized draftsman's eraser
    would work too.
     
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    Randy..I scored on a sewing machine motor at a thrift store. Is your dimmer switch wired in in the place of the foot pedal?
     
  15. Randy Diefert

    Randy Diefert aka: Longears

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    Yes it is,and it has to have the knob placed in an area that you can control the knob(speed) with your left hand while your index finger starts the rotation of the hook that the twists the stainless wire. I'm sending you a pm.
    Randy
     

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