Proposed lower Crab Creek dam to flood lakes Lenice, Nunnally, Merry

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  1. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

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    A stealth proposal by the state to create a $2.7 billion, 250 foot tall by 1.5 mile wide dam across lower Crab Creek just east of Beverly has been submitted to the feds for a feasibility study grant. If built, the dam will innundate the trophy trout fisheries at lakes Nunally, Bobby, Merry, and Lenice as well as other wildlife habitat east nearly to Othello.

    This is from today's Seattle Times (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2003917219_crabcreek02.html):

    "Washington's proposed Crab Creek Dam would cost $2.7 billion and flood tens of thousands of acres of wetlands, streams, lakes and shrub-steppe habitat. The dam would also flood up to 8,600 acres of existing farmland, requiring the state to use its eminent domain powers to condemn private property.

    Why are elected officials pushing new dams? Their stated purposes are to provide water to industrial farms along the Columbia River; and, "augment" streamflow in the Columbia River for the benefit of endangered salmon.

    Flooding farms in Lower Crab Creek to provide water to farmers elsewhere makes no sense. Nor does it make sense to flood out critical fishery habitat under the guise of helping migrating salmon — not to mention the water-quality problems that would occur when solar-heated, chemical-laden slackwater from Crab Creek Reservoir is released into the Columbia.​

    Not surprisingly, the Center for Environmental Law and Policy has come out against the posposed dam. Read their anaylsis at http://www.waterplanet.ws/crabcreek/ccrhome/Home.html

    If you agree that these fisheries are simply to valuable to be sacrificed to a $2.7 billion governmental boondoggle, please join me in contacting our elected representatives to strongly voice your opposition.

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  2. Be Jofus G

    Be Jofus G Banned or Parked

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    Nice catch. Isn't it wonderfull how they try to sneak that sort of garbage past everyone. One thing that really getts me. Why does no one ever give out the names of the brilliant politicians who rammed this one through? Nowonder these asshats keep getting re-elected.
     
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    chadk Be the guide...

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    I didn't quite understand this part:

    What is the critical fishery habitat we are talking about in the first part of the statement?

    Are we talking about crab creek itself, and\or the seep lakes (lenice, merry, bobby, nunnally)?

    Aren't those all man made lakes and stocked with non-native (browns, tiger trout, triploids, etc) hatchery fish, and invasive panfish (illegally stocked or whatever...)?

    If they consider those areas critical fishery habitat in one breath, then call them solar heated and chemical laden in the next, seems kinda odd to me. I know, they are talking about after the dam is built.... so there is no chemical issue now? Solar heating isn't happening on those lakes now? Wouldn't the solar heating issue be better if the water was deeper\cooler compared to the relatively small\shallow lakes there now?

    Not taking sides, just asking a few questions....:hmmm:
     
  5. Matt Paluch

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    Lenice, Nunnally and Merry are managed through stocking with non native trout. Crab Creek itself is a valuable fishery with native trout, steelhead and salmon returning every year. Impounding this creek would eliminate many miles of useful spawning habitat for these fish. Not to mention vast stretches of wetlands that would not be able to re-establish themselves due to the huge change in water level that this agricultural impoundment would have. Just about everyone is against the crab creek impoundment... I think that the powers that be are using it as a scare tactic so that when another site is approved, everyone says "Well at least it wasn't on crab creek."
     
  6. David Dalan

    David Dalan 69°19'15.35" N 18°44'22.74" E

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    iagree

    A dam on crab creek is a truly piss poor idea.
     
  7. WT

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    The critical fishery habitat is where steelhead and coho spawn in a major trib to Lower Crab Creek.
    Chemical laden slack water refers to the fact that the water quality in the Crab Creek Water Shed, including Moses Lake and Potholes Res is for shite. Another reservoir would be just another place for the agri-industrial chemicals to accumulate and for the water to warm before it gets to the Columbia.
    WT
     
  8. Paul Huffman

    Paul Huffman Lagging economic indicator

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    A stealth proposal? We've been talking about it on this forum since April. And I don't think it's hard to find an elected official in favor of this proposal. Probably every legislator from eastern Washington.
     
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    there should be a vote on this if this were a truly democratic rule, however the liberals like to just make decisions for us with disregard to the enviroment.
     
  10. Jeff R

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    This proposal looks real, and now our tax money is being spent by teams who's job it is to build dams with Crab Creek as the target now that it has been designated as the primary site for new off channel storage. I appears that the movement is primarily motivated to support questionably sustainable farming interests currently dependent on the shrinking Odessa Aquifer. It is also interesting to note that hundreds of unlined wells (if not thousands) in the region illegally dug by irrigators have played a role in the depletion of the aquifer by allowing cascading to deeper pockets. The result of the depletion from cascading has forced power demands that no longer make economic sense for water intensive crop production. Why should we be forced to see $2.7 billion wasted to support an unsustainable farming interest (as determined in 1971 WSU study) by yet another dam that also bears with it immeasurable environmental cost?
     
  11. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

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    That's an interesting take sharpshooter.

    Given the decidedly conservative bent of the legislators from your two-thirds of the state, the entire proposal has all the 'earmarks' of a Doc Hastings-style jam job intended to bring long-term pork to otherwise disenfranshised constituients. After all, who would the 'winners' be if the dam were actually built? The wealthy farmers who own the 6700 acres scheduled to be soon underwater for starters, not to mention all the jobs that the construction project would create and an economic boom to towns like Othello where said workers would likely live, eat, sleep, etc.

    I suspect if it truly was put to a vote, the support for the project from the east would be nearly unanimous even though it would go down in defeat, thanks in large part to the very 'liberals' you bemoan.

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  12. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

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    You registered on this site just to post this?

    Hmmmmm . . .

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  13. Jeff R

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    Hey K--

    Read carefully I'm on your side here!! I have been doing research all day to understand how we have arrived at such lunacy.
     
  14. Wayne Kohan

    Wayne Kohan fish-ician

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    I'm always amazed at the argument that building dams saves the sallmon and steelhead runs. It seems to be part of what got us into trouble in the first place. There is only so much water flowing out there, building a dam doesn't give us more water. We can store it and release when we want, but while stored it warms, it evaporates, it seeps into the ground, etc, so there is less water than there was before we started storing it. The BlackRock proposal takes water out of the river when its not needed and returns it later when needed (suppposedly.) But I guess we're smarter than Mother Nature........

    Anything that is built with federal monies in your area is considered a prize by local politicians...

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    This is the most assinine thing I have ever heard. The crab creek drainage is in an area of 9-12 inches of precip a year. Half of it dries up in the heat before reaching the Columbia River. It would take a millenium to fill up such a dam with the flows of crab creek. And the area around the lakes is so flat for miles to Saddle Mountain and and such that the dam would have to extend for miles to back up water that high without it going around the sides.

    I think this is just some idiots idea of wasting tax money on a study. Given we are living in the new west, these guys out to be put on a stringer and dragged behind the boat.

    Wildlander
     
  16. Dan Soltau

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    Well, it surely doesnt seem feasible, but it would cool if they knocked a couple Columbia dams down in exchange for one on Crab Creek, because there are no anadromous fish in in Crab. Tough loss, but I would rather have a dam on Crab than the Columbia...
     
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    "at some point we may have to consider forcibly removing more than just dams" a bystander once said
     
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    The fishery is spectacular for us in those lakes, but what really strikes me about the area is the *INCREDIBLE* migratory bird habitat in that immediate area. So you've got your fly/selective crowd, the lovers of migratory birds, and let's not forget, the ATV'ers who enjoy the sand dune habitat, ideal for both migratory and local ATV'ers. PLUS the farmers, local moneymakers and inhabitants that they are.

    Sounds like a recreation/conservation/farming lobby waiting to happen.These kind of arranged marriages are always messy, yet the situation presents itself thusly.
     
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    Didn't know there were coho spawning in Crab but there has long been a population of fall chinook spawning in Red Rock creek.
     

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