Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by dragonslayer, Jan 27, 2014.
Ohhh, Freestone wins 2014 Orvis Endorsed Fly Fishing Guide Of The Year!
Someone has a lot of F'n time..
Freestone for the win!
pros. catching a couple fish. sometimes right off a redd
cons. trying to hide the bobber and bead for the ever necessary glory shot, then trying to tell your friends that swing how you were fly fishing as they stare at you skeptically.
honestly i fish in many ways, depending on many factors. i do however find indicator fishing pointless when there are other tools better suited to the job. none of these other methods give me the pleasure and sense of accomplishing a hard fought goal than that of swinging. to say all anglers are the same yada yada kumbaya, well that's just preposterous. there is a continuum. to say floating roe under a float is the same as swinging that's insulting and minimizes the skill and toil one took to do it the hard way, and falsely elevates the accomplishment of shall we say "more goal oriented individual".
Is this the right place for me to ask if using a Skagit line is truly spey fishing, or must I use a scandi or long belly?
I got a laugh out of this as it's so true. I can't tell you how many shots I see from guides on the Peninsula or Klickitat that are obviously hiding the bead and bobber setup like it's some sort of illegal contraband. It's always fun to envision them scrambling around to hide everything while composing the shot. To the uninitiated, they probably think all these fish are being swung (and despite your leanings, let's face it, a swung fish is a much more memorable event). These days I just assume all the glory shots from a large subset of guide outfits are bobbered unless there is overwhelming evidence indicating otherwise. I'm not incriminating the practice, but trying to mis-represent what your clients are doing to catch the majority of their fish is bothersome.
double taper lines are at the summit of accomplishment... long bellies are just skagit lines for those who can truly spey cast.
shhhhh.... don't mention the dishonesty within the industry. promise graceful spey casts and deliver windshield wiper casts... clients won't know the difference and will believe you when you tell them conditions are not right for swinging or they're just fishing the non-swinging water.... all the way to the takeout.
we should have a photo hunt for pics like this. my fav is the wet yet not soggy swinging fly in the fish and the bobber on the ground like its just shore side refuse from some other dirty ass nympher guide service before them. another laughable event, or events as i have seen this twice. dude catches fish on gear. dude and friend scramble to put a spey rod together and hang a spey fly in fishes mouth. i stare cause its odd, and the fish was being handled too long while pics were taken. i protest politely. they tell me, "its ok, we are writing a magazine article on fly fishing" i say sweet, but bait is illegal right now on the queets and you're handling that fish like a knob. they just continue and look at me like I'm a Dick.
there should be a legal mulligan so you can kick the crap out of people like that. it is one thing to be unaware of properly handling a fish, but justifying it because you are in the "industry" should be an ass-kickable offense.
That's always a good one. Another of my favorite glory shot styles is the individual with about 5 pounds of Intruders, Fish Tacos, Hobo Speys, etc. hanging from every attachment point on his equipment...looks great in a glory shot...you just have to be able to overlook the fact that none of them have ever touched the water. They drove to the put-in with their spey rods on the hood of their truck and then locked them in the back and grabbed their indicator setups from inside when they put the raft in that morning.
I think where this debate always gets out of whack, is the absolutes people post. This is an example, the author is trying to state that we should all feel that a swung fish is a much more memorable event. Quite possibly for him it is but the assumption that it is for everyone is in my opinion wrong. I for one can tell you that my most memorable steelhead was not taken on the swing and neither are my top say 25 memorable steelhead (although the last one I got on the swing a couple of weeks ago is memorable but only in the sense that I purposely re-tried swinging and for me the memory I have is that I didn't like it as much as indicator fishing?.
I think if we stated things based on our own preference without any blatant inference we could all just stop bickering (let's not though, because the bickering leads to 356 fs and that is just fun and an alliteration by the way not an onomatopoeia [which is a word that when read mimics the sound it is representing, like moo or meow or crunch]). F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Memorable is a funny description. I mean, if anyone went out and screwed a 300 lb woman (or man) it certainly would be memorable.
The fact that you have caught so many steelhead that you have a top 25 makes me sick. I am going to go kill myself now.
Usually there is enough tequila involved in that scenario to not remember much of anything.
Edit: So I've heard, anyway.
Oh that was just one day!
I heard tell that the memorable day you mentioned above wherein you caught 25 steelhead was accomplished as you sat in your truck listening to Beethoven's 9th Symphony whilst using mind control of the rod and reel.
If any section of your fly line is thicker than any other section of your fly line...you're a Neanderthal and might as well plunk with a hoochie, spin-n-glow and sand shrimp.
Swinging requires more hope, more faith, more luck, less thought, less skill and less fish.