PS Chambers Creek lawsuit settlement??

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by Smalma, Apr 25, 2014.

  1. Chris Johnson

    Chris Johnson Member: Native Fish Society

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    I don't believe the WFC would or did trade the Chambers creek fish for an integrated hatchery. I believe what they were after was no Steelhead hatchery on the Skagit and that is what they got, for 12 yrs. What the settlement did was give them a seat at the table if one is proposed, which I believe they would opposed. I think there was a brood program on the Skagit in the 80's that was a failure which will give them some ammo.

    With the returns to the Marblemount hatchery over the last 10 years what is the value of keeping it or the Nooksack hatchery going?
     
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    You nailed it exactly Chris. It is unfortunate that the original poster who said "The fact that WFC would agree to such a potential program as part of the settlement IMHO is a clear signal that the suit was never about wild steelhead." did so without even reading the consent decree.
     
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  3. Jerry Daschofsky

    Jerry Daschofsky Moderator Staff Member

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    This has happened to me A LOT over the years. I still report when I see it happening. But in all my years doing it, I don't think I've ever seen an enforcement officer show up. And quite a few of the spots are within 5-10 minutes of their regional office. I still keep calling it in though.......
     
  4. _WW_

    _WW_ Fishes with Wolves

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    Careful, your prejudice is showing...
     
  5. KerryS

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    I know there is poaching on the river. I just don't believe it is as bad as you want us to believe. I spend a large amount of time on the Skagit. Yes, from time to time I will see someone poaching but not very damn often. The worst offenders are those that live right on the river. They will set their plunkin' rigs out at dark and retrieve them in the morning before light. WDFW enforcement is aware of these people and I would not be surprised if they could name them on a fist name bases. Keep reporting them and someday they will get caught. By reporting it WDFW officers know where to watch and sooner or later even the best screw up.
     
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    fredaevans Active Member

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    Oregon takes a very different view on this type of activity. When you call the person that shows up is the Oregon State Police (part of their normal duties). And they take this very-very seriously. They can (and probably will) confisate your gear, your car/truck/your boat if you have one .... and can even arrest you on the spot (actually seen that last bit once).

    Oh, the Judge? He will not be 'sympathetic.'
     
  7. Jonathan Tachell

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    Hey im just excited that WFC completely and single handedly put a stop to the tradition of steelhead fishing in puget sound rivers. Pat your selves on the back, now with the imminent closure of steelhead fishing on Puget Sound streams the OP will be even more of a shit show then it is. I guess I will just have to start buying an Oregon fishing license if I want to catch a steelhead. Oh and if you want to know why steelhead smolts are not making it out of the Puget Sound just look at the explosion of predators over the past 20 to 30 years. Oh well, maybe WFC will build a sweet board walk over looking the green river so my children can see a real live steelhead. Lord knows they won't be able to fish for them!
     
  8. HauntedByWaters

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    Kerry, we often miscommunicate and I am sorry it is this way.

    My point was not that poaching is rampant, my point was that the only guys who will get to fish steelhead are the outlaws. They always somehow win dont they? That's just the waaaay she fuckin goes I guess. People tell me karma exhits but it surely does not. Only a fool would believe in such a thing.
     
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  9. Chris DeLeone

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    HBW - Poachers are not the only ones who will get to fish - we are now going to see another study something like the Seattle City Light one on the Skagit, but this one will be 12 long years. Im sure the eco fish groups will have group representatives "engaging" in some of these studies - while rest of us sit at home and hear about Bill Macmillan and a handful of others of the conservation elite fish on closed waters for the sake of science.

    There you go Rich
     
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  10. freestoneangler

    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    No prejudice at all... more like what I suspect will become the aftermath of the shit storm WFC just started. At the end of the day, the treaty rights and tribal fishing will rule. Hell, as effective as they have been at the casinos, it might well be the best outcome. I'll bet they can even come up with a license system that works and requires less than 22 folds. I'll put in a good word for you with Billy.
     
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    When I was talking with Billy he didn't have a good word to say about FSA.
     
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  12. KerryS

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    Karma truly exists. Wait and see.
     
  13. KerryS

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    I think we ask for a C&R season that runs from June 1st through April 30th. Basically nothing has changed except the sled traffic should be less.
     
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    bennysbuddy the sultan of swing

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    No shit,I always get what I have coming ,even if I don't want it !!!!!
     
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    Well I feel you there but I wouldn't call it karma I guess.
     
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    Chris, I am not aware of WSC participating in such a fishery. If you have info refuting that, please share.
     
  17. Josh

    Josh dead in the water

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    That would be pretty interesting.
     
  18. KerryS

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    Not really. We have a catch and release season on wild steelhead now that runs from June 1 thru Jan. 31. Asking to extend that season until April 30th has been the goal of OS from the beginning. It has nothing to do with the hatcheries.
     
  19. Josh

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    Yup.

    I more meant that it would be interesting if it actually happened. Given how rarely anyone makes good fisheries decisions in WA, and despite the hard work of the OS crew, I'm not holding my breath.

    But here's to hoping.
     
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  20. Chris DeLeone

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    Rich - It was my understanding that Bill McMillan fish in the Seattle City Light Study - Mr McMillan was your 2009 WSC Conservation Award Winner. I categorize all the eco fish groups really as one, you guys are very intermingled. I will correct my post and take your organization out of it.

    BTW - when are you guys going to give your thoughts as an organization (WSC) on a Basin by Basin management plan for Puget Sound - I would have thought the WSC would weigh in on that and give that information to your members and the angling community.

    I hope all is well
    Chris