You had me going for a minute there, Stonefish! I don't think they are one and the same, although it might have been interesting to cracker one off! Thank you all for your recommendations. Robbin is the quide who had a client early this year nail a 30lb steelhead, if memory serves. Won't see any that big at Cook creek, I just hope to get in to some fish, I'm tying flies like crazy for this trip for both me and a buddy, so we will see what happens. Bob.