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  1. Gary Thompson

    Gary Thompson dirty dog

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    Here's the thing that bothers me the most.
    There is not a damn thing anyone or any government can do about this.
    The damn melt down will go on until it burns itself out or melts into the magma core.
    It will take many life times or possible never to clean up.
    This is not just another drop in the bucket, it's a shit ton of toxic crap going into the ocean daily.
    I'm I worried "no" I'm I going to go play in the Pacific ocean or eat the fish "Hell No"
     
  2. Chris Selvar

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    copied and pasted from another fourm...

    "500,000 gallons of water containing 97,000 Bq/Liter of radiation were released from the plant! Sounds horrifying, until you realize that there are 352,670,000,000,000,000,000 gallons of water in the Pacific Ocean (per NOAA) to dilute it."

    "NO...one particle of radioactive material lodged in your heart will not kill you. There's a small chance that it could cause cancer 20 years down the road. But the odds of that happening from one particle are really low.


    NO...the decay products of Uranium do not have half lives of hundreds of thousands of years. Caesium 137 has a half life of 30 years, which is still significant. There was a TINY amount of Plutonium found at nearby sites, which has a half life of 88 years for the most common isotope. There are isotopes of Plutonium that have much longer half lives (6500 or so years) but they are very, very rare.


    Now consider something called "background radiation." There is a natural level of radiation all around us, at this moment. Some comes from Radon in the soil. Some comes from fallout from the open-air nuclear tests of the 1950's. We get some radiation from the sun, which tends to get worse as you approach the southern latitudes. Some comes from food, and yet more from certain building materials. The stuff is everywhere!


    As nuclear particles disperse, they spread out to the point that the radiation they produce is indistinguishable from background.


    I had to look up "Becquerel" because when I was a nuclear power plant operator in the Navy, we used RADs and REM to measure radiation dosing. It looks like one Becquerel = one neutron decaying. It is not a measure of Tritium or Strontium, but a rather a measure of the radiation itself. A Becquerel (Bq) is an EXTREMELY small unit of measure. You may have heard of another unit of measure for radioactivity called the Curie.


    1 Curie = 37,000,000,000 Becquerels


    One well near Fukushima tested at 97,000 becquerels/liter, which is too high to release into the environment per existing standards.


    But put that in perspective, a household smoke detector releases 30,000 Bq (Becquerels). So the water we're discussing has the radioactive equivalent of three (3) smoke detectors per liter, or 3 SD/L. By the time that level of radioactivity gets dispersed in the ocean and reaches us...it will be barely detectable.


    Fukushima is a real problem for Japan and the local region, but not so much for the US. I'm not trying to downplay what a disaster this is for Japan, but I wouldn't worry too much about mutant starfish."

     
  3. kurtataltos

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    Google Fukushima and Snopes. This "emergency" getting plastered on the internet (anything on the internet must be a true fact...) is nothing more than a bad joke, not factual... a scam preying on those that just fell off the turnip truck. Nothing against turnips, mind you. Google as noted or just go to snopes.com and enter Fukushima.
     
  4. fishbadger

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    I think folks should stop eating the fish. . .and pass along any early summer kings my way so that I can take care of them for you :D

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  5. bennysbuddy

    bennysbuddy the sultan of swing

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    The glow in the dark shrimp should make for interesting convesation at the 10pm cocktail party
     
  6. Gary Thompson

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    The more informed I am the better.
    Right now I'm going to keep an eye on how this mess plays out, and still out of the water.
     
  7. Ryan Higgins

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    Pulled this from another forum with a few nuke techs or people in the nuke field. Original article was very similar to these ones, lots of fear mongering.

     
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    I hope you all know.... that there are members of this forum that work in the field of nuclear reactors.

    I just wish they'd chime in, and set us all straight with the facts. Then again, maybe they can't. Remember, "Big Brother" is watching. :eek:






    :p
     
  9. Rob Zelk

    Rob Zelk I swing, therefore i am.

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    I was freaking out about this as well. And after reading many, many articles, I am not freaking out quite as bad anymore. Fukushima is bad, and I hope they get it under control, but it is a drop in the ocean.

    I do believe that if it our government, and all the others that line the Pacific Ocean, were concerned with our Pacific fish being ruined forever, that there would be a global effort to control this situation. But what do I know... I would hope there are some very smart nuclear physicists in the world who would be sounding some huge alarms if Fukushima were a real threat to ending the consumption of Pacific fish.

    While I am a little scared about eating eating our fish because of radiation, I am more scared about eating our fish because of PCBs and mercury.

    If you're scared of Fukushima, read this and you'll be just as scared of Hanford!

    This is actually a good read, check it out: http://www.rense.com/general96/hanford.html

    The solution to pollution is dilution!

    ~RZ
     
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    Dan....the dose rates should have been explained to you and are closely monitored, I used to work there too. Today my greatest concerns are the doctor, who doses me much higher than Hanford (and has no idea what the dose rates are), and TSA who seem to think dosing me with radiation is non intrusive. If you are flying and older, I'd advise taking the pat down. The equipment concentrates dosage in the face where skin cancers are more prevalent in older folks. Eating the fish is my least concern, but then I don't like to eat salmonoids anyway.....
     
  11. dryflylarry

    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    Gary,

    Your concern is valid and real. Some of these other guys will figure it out someday. I'm with you.
     
  12. bennysbuddy

    bennysbuddy the sultan of swing

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    " I'd advise taking the pat down," Is that for health reasons or just a cheap thrill?
     
  13. Rob Zelk

    Rob Zelk I swing, therefore i am.

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    More facts that may interest those, especially over in Spokane area. In Washington, we have the Hanford reach which drains to the Columbia, but that isn't the start of radioactive contamination into WA's home rivers.

    I was searching creeks to fish, fishing different access points, wet wading because it was summer. Well, upon driving down one road, towards the creek basin, I was stopped by a big gate with a radioactive sign, that said, no trespassing among other things. Needless to say, I never felt the need to fish that area again, not that I caught any fish to speak of...

    The Midnight Mine, a uranium mine, which is on Spokane's Indian Reservation, has been a superfund site for some time now. The 300 some acres of radioactive water and uranium ore left to the elements drains into the Spokane River, and contaminates all kinds of wildlife at the site and downstream.

    Check the video: http://www.toxipedia.org/display/wanmec/Midnite uranium mine, Spokane, WA
     
  14. Dan Nelson

    Dan Nelson Hiker, Fisher, Writer, Bum

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    National Academy of Science reports that, yes, trace amounts of radioactive isotopes have been found in Pacific Bluefin tuna. But the vast majority of that radioactive material comes from naturally occuring sources, primarily Polonium (Po). "Fukushima-derived were three to four orders of magnitude below Po-derived doses."

    In short, fish already carry radioactive material -- and ALWAYS HAVE! Indeed, virtually all living things have some trace level of radioactive material. Worth noting that bananas have a relatively high naturally occurring trace level of isotopes. Where's the hysteria over glowing bananas?
     
  15. Gary Thompson

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    O'shit now I can't eat bananas. Thanks Dan
     
  16. Ryan Higgins

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    Holy crap, talk about fear mongering. That article has so much opinion and speculation its insane. Great comedic read though. Not to mention his radiation readings. A full 10 Microsieverts is the amount of radiation the average person receives in one day. This dude is claiming someone wearing a glove showing .28 is a dead man walking. Laughable.

    Yes, part of the reason for the restriction on eating fish from lake Roosevelt.
     
  17. Rob Zelk

    Rob Zelk I swing, therefore i am.

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    Yes the problem is people, like yours truly, don't understand a thing about things that are radioactive, so we just become afraid. And since its not something that is easily understood by reading one or ten articles on the subject, most of which are fear mongering, it makes a lot of space for worry. That said, I do know that radioactive particles can be bad for you, just as motor oil, grease, paints, foods, mercury, have carcinogens that can be bad as well.

    One truth is that radioactivity, to an extent, is that it is in a lot of the world around us. Like you fellows have said, in bananas, occurring naturally, smoke detectors, x ray machines, etc. Trying to be well informed is a good weapon against the fear mongers. I wish there were a way to test individual fish, clams, and seafood, because I love and want to eat it! :)

    I guess if people stop eating pacific fish, the indians will stop netting, and fish runs will be incredible, right? Hmm...
     
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    One less person on the beach fighting for space.
     
  19. ChaseBallard

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    Two recent pieces worth reading / watching about the potential of Fukushima radiation in fish and on the US west coast:

    Scientists Say Stop Worrying About Fukushima Radioactivity In Fish
    http://earthfix.opb.org/water/article/scientists-say-stop-worrying-about-fukushima-radio/

    Fukushima Radiation: What You've Heard are Lies!
    http://news.discovery.com/tech/videos/fukushima-radiation-what-youve-heard-are-lies-video.htm

    Like a lot of guys on here probably do, I eat a LOT of salmon (thanks trolling with gear...). And the conclusion of everything I've read on the issue? I will get 1000x more radiation from each doctors visit than from eating pacific salmon every week. Now Hanford, that would worry me a lot more if my fish came from the Columbia...
     
  20. thesankers

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    "This is actually a good read, check it out: http://www.rense.com/general96/hanford.html" This website is not correct in the least.

    For example: "At a roadside spot convenient for quick relief, a black work glove was lying on the gravel. It registered 0.28 microsieverts, meaning whoever urinated is a dead man walking. " 0.28 microsieverts is 0.028 mrem which is a number barely detectable(with very sensitive dose rate meters) above background levels. The federal limit for occupational whole body radiation exposure is 5000 mrem year or 18,000 imes the 0.28 uS. 5000 rem/ year has never been shown to effect any individual. The limit for extremity dose (like the hands) is 10 times higher or 5- rem/year. Dead man walking indeed.

    The reality is that Fukishima was a serious reactor accident, but isn't hurting anybody in the US.

    If you want to read some actual scientific information try nrc.gov or NEI.org. and search on Fukushima... tons of actual information.
     
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