RE: Lake Lenore Poachers

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by miyawaki, Jul 28, 2013.

  1. miyawaki Active Member

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  2. zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    Thanks for posting this Leland. I hope it is a deterrent for future poachers.
  3. Jamie Wilson Active Member

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    still seems kinda light
    I think a $25,000 fine would change some habits
    Most of these guys are professionals - meaning this probably wasn't their first "job"
    Thanks for the update
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  4. triploidjunkie Active Member

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    Not nearly harsh enough!!:( It also didn't mention if the truck was returned or not. I have a feeling it was. They'll be back at it soon enough.
  5. Jamie Wilson Active Member

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    That's exactly the problem. Just another speed bump in their poacher road - not a deterrent
  6. shadowcast Member

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    When I came to the part describing how one escaped by swimming through freezing water, I was kinda hoping for something like, "the suspect was later found dead in a nearby park, having perished from hypothermia." What a letdown lol!

    What about the charge of resisting arrest??? Did they forget about that!?
  7. Jamie Wilson Active Member

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    no shit
  8. Richard Olmstead BigDog

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    "seized for forfeiture" implies that they did not get the truck back.
  9. shadowcast Member

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    I like to know how many days they kept it up...
  10. Cedar Active Member

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    "Seized for forfeiture" in this state just means that law enforcement had legal grounds to take the vehicle because it was being used in the commission of a certain kind of crime. More often than not vehicles are returned because the registered owner wasn't present when the crime was being committed or a judge feels that the seizure would be too much punishment...which I kind of think will be the case here given how low the total fines are (in relationship to the offense).
  11. Jim Ficklin Genuine Montana Fossil

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    They should have made them eat all of the fish . . . guts . . .
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  12. shadowcast Member

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    Dumb question here, but how and to whom might these guys been unloading/selling the fish? With that many fish per outing, I doubt it was for the family BBQ.
  13. Peyton00 Active Member

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    Gross misdemeanor and low fines. 20 days in jail.... that we all pay for. The truck more than likely will be returned to owner if defense atty ask for it. All this for some recreational fish..... lots of money spent on both sides of the law.
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  14. freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    Absolutely ridiculous... and we wonder why this kind of crap keeps happening... this nation is way too lenient on crime.
  15. Charles Sullivan dreaming through the come down

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    I always chuckle when people get worked up because the punishment isn't harsh, believing that a harsher penalty is a signifigant deterrant. The signifigant deterrant is the belief that they may get caught, especially in a case such as this where it is a planned crime. I truly don't know what the recivitism rate is for fish and game crimes but I suspect it isn't as high as we think.
    Having said that, I would have no problem with harsher penalties. I am just not of the opinion that harsher penalties would deter anything, short of a life sentence which does eliminate the possibility of recivitism. Higher chances of getting caught would definately be a deterrant.

    Go Sox,
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  16. freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    Knowing the cost of a speeding ticket, both the fine itself and the likelihood of increased insurance premiums, is always on my mind when I get that urge to shave a few minutes off my drive. These guys hammered what has been a great fishery and they get a slap on the wrist... sends the wrong message and is bullshit IMO.

    And, if you don't think harsh penalty is a deterrent to stealing, check out the repeat offenders in Saudi Arabia.
  17. Jamie Wilson Active Member

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    If my memory serves me...
    The original thread mentioned something about a cultural 'smoked trout/fish' meal that was very much sought after in this particular ethnic group in western WA.
    Upwards to 20 bucks per fish...
    do the math
  18. Alex MacDonald Dr. of Doomology

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    a 9mm brain hemorrhage would take care of the recidivism issue. It'd help the surplus population reduce traffic congestion, and fight global warming all at the same time. sounds like a win for everyone concerned-a "green" solution!:D
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  19. Jim Wallace Smells like low tide

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    Veritable "wrist slap.":confused:
  20. Irafly Active Member

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    We could always encourage the state to stop the unnatural stocking of non-native Lahotan Cutthroat in Lenore, that would stop them. Or maybe we could triploid the Lahotans and then they wouldn't attempt to spawn. Oh wait than the most popular part of the fishery would disappear when 90% of the people fish it to try to catch the fish staging for the spawn. I guess we should just go back to my original suggestion of shooting poachers on sight, including all of you who forget to pinch your barbs.
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