Red Hot Neah Bay Bucktailing

Discussion in 'Saltwater' started by Chris Bellows, Jul 29, 2011.

  1. Denny

    Denny Active Member

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    I agree, generally. I think both you two knowledgable prideful dudes, gt and topwater, are both right.

    I've learned to quit 'trying' to get the fish on the reel. Sure, line management is important, but I've dropped a number of fish just for sakes of 'trying' to get the fish on the reel. If it's a fish that needs to be on the reel, it will get itself on to the reel. However, I do understand what gt means; there looked to be a fair amount of 'line grabbers' in that boat, and it looked like the safest bet was (if possible) to get the fish on the reel. Again, if possible. A very small item, when the fish gets on the reel and after I've landed it, when the bite's on, I hate having to strip out my line again to re-cast.
     
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    fun on a 6 wt
    and i think i had him on the reel
    whatever that means
     
  3. Denny

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    I fished for a couple of days late last summer at Neah where I probably caught 30-40 of these a day, on my 6 weight TCR. Probably 1 out of 8 or 10 I put on the reel. I just hate working my line back out after getting the fish in and then getting back out in the water.
     
  4. dryflylarry

    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    Fun video. I also noticed, as gt, what looked like a lot of obstacles to "worry about" in getting your line tangled. Don't be too sensitive to a little criticism on here. gt's observations, and others, is what makes this site one where you can "learn something". I think he has a good point. We all have our different habits of playing fish, some good, some bad. I too, try to put a fish on the reel. I keep cool about it while doing it, will pause to make sure everything is somewhat under control, that way you "won't" lose fish getting them on the reel. Maybe you have never had a coho "rip" line quickly out your guides and accidentally loop your fly line around your reel seat or handle or something. Shit happens... Anyway, take it easy and keep posting. Just keep in mind that this thread helped others. Tight lines!!!
     
  5. Joepa

    Joepa Joe from PA

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    This has evolved into an interesting thread. Regarding the line issue, another thing to consider is the potential for line tangles/birdnests (not to mention treading all over on your $70 line in a rolling boat). I actually worry about that as much as getting my line hung up on something in the boat. Some lines have a propensity for hanging up on themselves when quickly pulled, especially in salt water. This actually happened to a friend of mine 2 weeks ago. He hooked a nice fish and had a pile of line at his feet and initially played the fish off the reel. But then the fish took off and somehow a knot of line got pulled through his spool and got hung up in one of the eyes and the fish broke off. I guess he was lucky the line or rod wasn’t damaged. I definitely try to get larger fish on the reel as quickly as possible and don’t seem to have an issue doing so. While I might disagree with Chris on this, I certainly respect his experience and opinions. I’ve exchanged PMs with him and he’s been very generous in sharing his knowledge.
    For the record, I was at Neah the weekend before last and while I didn’t find any coho inside, there were good numbers of them around the whistle buoy that Friday and especially Saturday. I must admit I bucktailed at least 20 fish that Saturday. I did also get several striping a clauser on a sinking line, but I was doing much better bucktailing. Maybe I was fishing too deep and my angle of retrieve was too steep.
     
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    You absolutely fricking gotta be kidding. This is not meant disrespectfully, but Chris (topwater) has probably caught as many 'line ripping' coho in one year than you have in 10. That's what he did for several years as a living; guide folks fly fishing for coho at, yes, Neah Bay. Not resident coho where you pray they get you on the reel, but 'line ripping' coho.

    In a perfect world, it's nice to be able to get fish on the reel for so many reasons. But, there are many instances where it's not, too. As Ibn noted, these "Are salmon in the NW"; watch the video again, they are small coho, not line rippers. Yep, Chris was in someone else's boat who had lots of line grabbing stuff laying around; yep, it would be awesome if the fish got him on the reel.

    Bottom line, as Ibn noted, Chris is experienced knows his stuff, he knows when he does and doesn't need to get a fish on the reel, he shared a great fish catching video with music that others didn't like (but I did), and I hope he makes others and shares them with us all.
     
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    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    Re-read my thread. What are you freaking out about. I did notice that they seemed to be smaller fish. Of course you can't keep them on the reel at all times, particularly when they are rushing towards you. Maybe he is experienced in "stripping in" coho, most people probably are not, especially the inexperienced on here. If you have read any other threads on here, you would find that most people like to put a decent fish on the reel. Big deal. Don't get your butt in a tizzy. I too would probably strip in fish that size at times.
     
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    Topwater has it spot on.... at least for the fishing he's doing. I don't put fish on the reel unless they earn it themselves. I'll strip 'em in if they let me, and it doesn't matter if it's a bonefish, steelhead, salmon or trout. Maybe I just do it that way because I hate stripping all that line back out to start casting again. A friend of mine who is a pretty darn good ffisherman reels his line in every time he changes his fly. It drives me absolutely bonkers just watching it..... maybe he's just "practicing for that once in a lifetime fish." ;)

    Watching the video I did notice a darn good bend in that rod for the entire fight. That's what counts. Hook, land, release, repeat. I let the fish dictate how I need to go about landing it. If I can strip 'em in, that's what's going to happen. I don't go into every situation with a mindset that I'm only going to play the fish a certain way (as in, I must fight every fish from the reel). If that works for others, great!

    Thanks for the vid! I don't see anything to nitpick about.
     
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    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    Hell yeah topwater! Keep'm coming! I could use some action like that. I figured you probably did have a bucket or something to strip your line into. Good job.
     
  11. Loved the video and the fact that you share your passion. No need to justify what you did or didn't do right. Its ALL RIGHT as long as your getting a line wet and you're ripping a few fish, especially in Neah Bay. Keep the posts coming, we appreciate it!
     
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    I'll add. It does make a difference if you're fishing for 1 grab a day or 30. I'll be more careful when the fishing is tougher. But, if I'm on good numbers of fish in a day, I couldn't care less if I take things a bit too lightly and pop off a fish or two. For me it's all about the take. After that I'm just trying to get it in as quick as possible so I can search for the next take. Putting a fish on the reel just for the sake of putting a fish on the reel takes time away from my next cast. Playing a fish is the least enjoyable part of the hook, land, release game I play.
     
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    Awesome video. After having a pink pull line screaming off the reel today I can't even imagine fighting a hot ocean Coho.
     
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    Sheeesh! Fish have to "earn" the reel, "deserve" the reel? Busting each others chops for line mismanagement? How many demerits is that? I'm obviously not taking fishing, (or myself) anywhere near seriously enough.

    I like catching big fish in salt water too, but I always thought that if you're having fun, there's really no wrong way to do it. Kinda like starting a man's heart with a downed power line.
     
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    ganglyangler Bird Dogs and Fly Rods

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    just rewatched this video.. it's just damn good!
     
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    Salmo_Gairdneri Another Fly Fisher

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    Just because you helped people catch thousands of coho on the fly doesn't make you an authority on this topic. Oh, wait, yeah it does.

    I agree 100%. Sometimes they get on the reel, sometimes not. It seems that a hell of a lot of the fish we get out there grab very near the boat and generally within vision into the water. Especially with Coho & rockfish, getting them on the reel is not usually the best bet. The humpies we hooked last weekend were hot and got right on the reel but lots of times the coho do the death roll thing & as you well know, when you are on a pack of fish, the tendency is to try to get the fish in and try hook another ASAP because the bite doesn't always last. Unless you've fished out there a bit that last statement probably sounds crazy. Also it's better for the fish. I've been using 40# maxima as my leader for years out there to help facilitate horsing them in.

    Thx for posting Chris.

    CHeers,

    -t
     
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    Kim Hampton Not Politically Correct

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