Redband?

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  1. junebug41

    junebug41 Junior Dave Monti fan

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    I'm attaching a photo from last fall and was wondering if anyone can tell me for sure whether this is a redband trout. I am not nearly familiar enough with the subtleties of rainbow subspecies identification to know. I noticed at the time that it was very different looking from the rainbows I've caught in western WA, and I found out later that there are redbands where this was caught.
     
  2. Michael Brady

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    Its definately an Oncorhynchus mykiss, but I couldnt tell you the subscript that comes after that. It really doenst matter between whats considered a "rainbow" and whats a "redband". Both the same fish, different location, different size, I guess you can have a different name if you want.
     
  3. Preston

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    Behnke splits Oncorhynchus mykiss into two major subspecies: O. m. irideus, the coastal rainbow and O. m. gairdneri, the interior, redband, or redside rainbow. The interior subspecies ranges east and north from the Columbia River drainage to the upper reaches of the Fraser (including the interior plateau and the Kamloops area), Finlay and Athabasca Rivers in BC and Alberta and, in the Snake River drainage, southeast to central and southeast Oregon, southwestern Montana and a small bit of northern Nevada.

    Typically, they are more profusely spotted than the coastal subspecies and often exhibit a pale orange or yellow "cutthroat" slash, aside from that they are very similar in appearance. All rainbows exhibit considerable variation in coloration and spotting patterns in differing habitats.
     
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    Here's an example of color/spotting variation in a Yakima 'bow. Kind of a strange-looking fish.
     
  5. Tony Mull

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    i think the only reliable difference you'll find is that yellow or orange cutthroat. it's common in kamloops rainbows. the red stripe is influenced by environment, genetics and often spawning changes.
     
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    Looking at the overall coloration and the pattern of its spots I'd say that's almost certainly not a rainbow at all, but a westslope cutthroat, Ocorhynchus clarki lewisi.
     
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    Interesting...how common are those on the Yakima? This one was nr Cle Elum this winter. I didn't think to look for any slashmarks below the jaw at the time.
     
  8. CovingtonFly

    CovingtonFly B.O.H.I.C.A. bend over here it comes again

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    That was in the winter? You have shorts on and it's sunny out.
     
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    Mayfly -
    I agree with Preston - your fish looks to be a cutthroat. They are not all that uncommon in the upper Yakima - much more common in the Cle Elum area than say in the lower Canyon. One the whole I have found the upper Yak cutts to be a more robust fish than the rainbows - just the opposite of what I see with the coastal fish. I'm never surprised to catch a cutt or two on that section (believe 6 in one day my best cutthroat day on the river).

    Tight lines
    Curt
     
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    Preston, interesting comments on the taxonomy of the trout; I always thought the common name "redside" referred to that subpecies/race on the Deschutes in OR and "redband" to those strange little trout down around Steen's Mountain, OR.
     
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    About the winter call, it looks like a beautiful summers day. especially when you see he has shorts on. However, after closer evaluation, you can actually seesnow or frost on the rocks by the river. He's crazy!
     
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    Is it not 2 different people posting photos of 2 completely different fish?? the fish caught in the winter is the cutt...alls i see is a fish in a net, the guy in the shorts with the frost on the rocks is the 'bow in question, right or am i screwed up?? i don't think the guy in the shorts caught his fish in the winter.
    :confused:
     
  13. junebug41

    junebug41 Junior Dave Monti fan

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    Allright, I admit it... I have been repeatedly accused of being crazy when it comes to wetwading way beyond the normal season. That was late September in the NE part of the state. Yeah, the water was pretty damned cold... especially in the morning. That said, I'm not sure that was frost on those rocks. Jeez, I hope not! It may just be some light coloration.

    The cuttie from the Yak sort of inadvertently hijacked the thread. I was just trying to find out if there's a way to tell a redband from a coastal rainbow in that photo. From what I gather so far, there isn't.:confused:
     
  14. Preston

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    Junebug41,
    What you've read here is about it. In Washington state, the natural range of the coastal rainbow is given by Behnke as the west slope of the Cascades and in the Columbia River as "...inland to the Cascades". I don't know if coastal rainbows have been widely planted in Washington outside their native range; many of the rainbows planted in eastern Washington are derived from Spokane River stocks which would, of course, be the interior subspecies. I don't think that appearance alone would be a surefire way to differentiate between the subspecies. I would assume that if the fish was taken in the northeastern part of the state, it's most likely Oncorhynchus mykiss gairdneri.

    Andycarey,
    Ah, what's in a name? Behnke identifies all of the interior rainbows as "redbands": O. m. gairdneri, "the Redband Trout of the Columbia River Basin (which would include the Deschutes) and O. m. newberryi, the Redband Trout of the Great Basin (Fort Rock basin, Harney-Malheur basin, Catlow basin, Warner Lakes basin, Goose Lakes basin, Chewaucan, basin and Upper Klamath Lake basin), etc. One man's sea-run cutthroat is another man's blueback and another's harvest trout.
     
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    ssickle1 Slow and Low

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    Looks like a pretty generic looking bow to me. Nice fish though.

    The picture following is a cutty.

    I'm not a scientist and am not sure where the slang names come from. I'm from Oregon and redbands generally refer to eastside bows that live in arid sort of streams like the Blitzen and Malheur where temperatures can really sore. Redsides are like the bows on the Mac and the Deschutes south of Sherars.
     
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    Hate to burst a bubble, but it appears to me to be a rainbow that has a fairly prominent red stripe. I've seen and caught 'bows with much brighter or pronounced stripes. Pretty fish, though, junebug, and worthy of a pic!

    I just returned from a trip on the Deschutes River, OR, home of redband/redsides or whatever you would like to call them, and the variance in marking was very interesting. I caught fish with the lightest being similar to junebug41's fish, with many darker or with more pronounced coloring.
     
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    gigharborflyfisher Native Trout Hunter

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    If that fish is from the east side of the Cascades it most likely has at least has some lineage from the Columbia Basin Redband subspecies. Before stockings they were the predominant east side trout, and even today many of the fish from the Yakima are at least partially redbands although their gene pool is quite deluted anymore.
     
  18. redband

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    Dear Junebug.
    Yes that is a redband. On the deschutes the redbands are much more distinct in color. The theory on redbands is as follows:
    About 10,000 years ago the wetlands flooded and the Lahonten cutthroat mixed with the western rainbow and gave us the redband rainbow.
    Mann lake in Oregon and pyramid lake in Nevada are the areas in which most think this took place. The deschutes river has western rainbows and redbands. My father has guided on the lower deschutes for nearly 40 years and he and many others are the source of this information and you will find some history online as well. I have no idea why anyone would inform you that this is a cutthroat it has all the traditional markings of a western rainbow except for the redband. The deschutes redsides stripe is almost purple in color and many have an almost pale orange slash which reflects the cutthroat history.
    I hope this answers your question.
    (beautiful fish)
     
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    Hey isn't that a westslope?
     
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    Nice fish, junebug! If you tell me exactly where you caught it, I can tell you what it is.:)

    If I could offer you a suggestion, you may want to retire that old net and replace it with something a little easier on the fish if you intend to release them.
     

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