Not sure that I've read it in this thread yet but how about this: If the no fishing from a floating device happens, and I'm NOT saying I believe this is THE answer, then all those prime swinging runs will be a lot more crowded. How many swing fishermen have seen the boats pass by? Well they won't be passing by. They will be coming to the top of the run to take their swing through it. There may be some locations where this will work, but not all. Again, so much here is being pushed on the guides. Maybe too much. Sure, they are earning their living working hard using a public resource. They are putting public clients into the fisheries because those clients ask them to. If the guide licensing is in need of ajustment, that is another matter. There are still a lot of reasons that contribute to the problems we see now. Without all the finger pointing about who's to blame and who's doing it wrong the question remains. How the hell do we improve the fisheries so that the fishing experience is good and the runs are sustainable?