reverse spider?

Discussion in 'Fly Tying' started by cuponoodle breakfast, Aug 18, 2002.

  1. cuponoodle breakfast

    cuponoodle breakfast Active Member

    Can someone describe a reverse spider please? Or post a pic or a link to a pic? I hear a lot of people mention them for searuns but I haven't found one in any of my books or on any websites. My typical searun pattern is a standard Knudsen's spider, or a close variation.
     
  2. Rob Blomquist

    Rob Blomquist Formerly Tight Loops

    Easy. Basically a Knudson's but after tying in the tail, and the chenille, wind forward, and tie the hackle in facing forward, or if you want, face clumps of fibers forward. Then wind the chenille forward, and tie off.

    There is also a version of this where the chenille is started from the front of the fly, and the fly is finished in the hook gap.

    I wish I had a link for you. If you want I can send you one or draw a picture over a cuppa joe, or pick me up for a day of SRC fishing, and I will provide the reverse Knudson's.

    Rob
     
  3. cuponoodle breakfast

    cuponoodle breakfast Active Member

    Thanks for the reply. I have tried the other version you mentioned, finishing the fly on the gap. It worked ok, but I prefer the standard tied with a maribou tail. I hear more people mention the reverse spider than the standard so I might try it.
    I found a few cutts in the river about a week and a half ago, but in the last few days they seem to have disappeard.
     
  4. troutman101

    troutman101 Member

    I might be acting a little picky here but when I showed Mike Kinney my version he just about died laughing. There are 2 things to remember on this pattern:

    1. Use a 200R hook sizes 6 and 4

    2. Only wrap chenille 2/3 of the body in a carrot shape. Mike had a emphasis on having plenty of hook left to penetrate the S.R.C's mouth.

    If you want to duplicate the original pattern you would also use a sparse tail curving upwards and finish by hand whip finishing at the butt not at the eye. Check out "Hooked on Flyfishing" video series featuring Mike Kinney.

    I hope my 2 cents helps.

    :pROFESSOR
     
  5. Old Man

    Old Man Just an Old Man

    I might be old---but I'm good.

    I picked some up last year,but didn't use them much. I got mine at Hook,Line And Sinker. Now East of Smoky Point. Paid $1.25 for them.

    Jim S.
     
  6. Jesse

    Jesse Member

    The old timers chuckle about this fly. It was originally called "The Foo" until Mike invented it. :HAPPY
     
  7. KerryS

    KerryS Ignored Member

    What oldtimers?
     
  8. troutman101

    troutman101 Member

    People don't invent flies, they change an already existing pattern. Mike knows this and so do you.
     
  9. Old Man

    Old Man Just an Old Man

    I might be old---but I'm good.

    I've only seen this pattern used once and that was on TV. Les Johnson was fishing for sea runs in the lower Stilly. He was knocking em dead. But it was TV. You have to hunt all day for them to show on TV.

    Jim
     
  10. troutman101

    troutman101 Member

    Mike Kinney and Les Johnson used to work together at the Swallows Nest back in the day. Now Les is at Harry's..err..I mean Patricks and Mike is at Geek...I mean Creekside in Issaquah. If you go to Creekside, they will let you rent the vid. Mike is rowing down the Stilly and Les and somebody else is casting repeatedly to the rip rap for SRCutt's.

    This is prime local broadcasting of two great fishermen.

    "Mike forgets more fishing stuff in a day than most people can remember in a lifetime" -Pete @crkside
     
  11. Old Man

    Old Man Just an Old Man

    I might be old---but I'm good.

    Yeah,that was the one,it was a few years ago and I couldn't remember the rowers name. Thanks for the info.

    Jim S.

    :THUMBSUP
     
  12. gbhstrat

    gbhstrat New Member

    I ran into Les Johnson three times on the Stilly last year. He gave me two of his reverse spiders and I kept them as reference because that is the one fly he said works the best. He had a whole box of them so it is definitely not a fluke that he is always fishing with them. I actually took some to Alaska with me and when the fish seemed to be picky I tried one up there. I actually hooked a monster King on one. The guys in my group asked what I was fishing with and when I showed them a reverse spider they all look at it and said “I don’t have anything even close to that!” I tie them with orange Amherst and black and white Amherst and then use either Black, Blue or yellow Chenille on the body.
     
  13. twodogs

    twodogs New Member

    Does anyone have an actual photograph of this one or where one might be found? I've tied-up various flies based on verbal and written descriptions but would like to see if there is a "standard" pattern. thanks.

    Twodogs.
     
  14. Old Man

    Old Man Just an Old Man

    I might be old---but I'm good.

    I don't know if there is a picture for that one. But you can get them at Hook,Line,and Sinker. Just East of Smoky Point. South East corner of Sr 531 and 51st Ave NE.

    Jim
     
  15. KerryS

    KerryS Ignored Member

    If you can find a copy of Flies of The Northwest it is pictured in it.

    K
     
  16. troutman101

    troutman101 Member

    What, my description not enough? I thought folks could visualize a carrot shaped body 2/3 of the length of the shank.
     
  17. Preston

    Preston Active Member

    Just a couple of points on tying the Reversed Spider:
    Tie the tip of the hackle (duck flank, Amherst tippet, golden pheasant tippet) in immediately behind the eye of the hook, with the tip pointing aft and the quill pointing out over the eye and curving down. After securing the hackle you can cut the tip away, wind the thread back to a point on the shank in front of the hook point and tie the tip in for the tail. As pointed out above, the total body length should be only about 2/3 of the shank length.

    Wind the hackle on from front to back, each turn immediately behind the one in front. It helps to fold the hackle and to stroke the fibers forward while winding the hackle on. Secure it and clip off the excess. Start the chenille at the mid-point between the tail and hackle. Wind it forward over the base of the hackle and right up to the eye. Reverse the chenille and wrap over the first wraps and back to the tail. This accomplishes two things; the first wraps help to force the hackle into a narrow cone and to support them in the water, and overwrapping the chenille forms a nice taper in the body.

    The last step is, of course, to do a whip-finish at the rear of the body. If the fly is going to come to pieces, this is where it will happen, so a drop of head cement here is good insurance.
     
  18. twodogs

    twodogs New Member

    Twodogs.

    Thanks Preston. Nice detail which I will try tonight.
     
  19. ceviche

    ceviche Active Member

    I was just over at Patrick's and apparently Les Johnson and Preston Singletary have been hard at work. The boxes are full of reverse spiders in a couple of colors and body styles. I was told the both of them taught the house tier how it's done. For all you non-tiers, strike while the iron is hot! :THUMBSUP
     
  20. ceviche

    ceviche Active Member

    Hey Preston,

    What do you think of my Reverse Spiders above? Are the proportions okay? No Amherst feathers, but would it make that much of a difference?

    Ciao!
    --Dave E.
     

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